Working on a great recall in enclosed areas, with long lines, etc can train for an off leash experience. I wouldn't risk my dogs by doing off leash in order to maybe get them back if they accidentally got off leash.
The very best is if you can work in a sufficiently large enclosed area that the dog is unaware it is enclosed. They certainly know when you take off the long line! (even fishing line gives them enough feedback to know they are not free) 
All risk is relative, and there is no such thing as a "sure thing" in life. You do the best you can…...within your comfort zone, of course.
I want to comment on what "comfort zone" entails, but why bother?
I know many working dogs who were trained a 100 percent recall in enclosed areas, moved to safer not enclosed, then hunted/coursing/camping/outings without losing the dog. As with all mammals, if you build up the neural pathways to a response repeatedly, you have as good as chance of compliance in a "A SQUIRREL!!!" situation as you do with a shock collar. Which is why clicker trainers wipe the floor in competition with shock collar and those using any physical corrections, even citronella collars. It isn't that clickers are magic, it is that they build on training quick automatic responses which simply are neurologically "friendly" to training. (And no, I don't use a clicker much other than trick training, but I know many who use it for everything.)
Which is why clicker trainers wipe the floor in competition with shock collar and those using any physical corrections, even citronella collars. It isn't that clickers are magic, it is that they build on training quick automatic responses which simply are neurologically "friendly" to training. (And no, I don't use a clicker much other than trick training, but I know many who use it for everything.)
Of course you are building automatic responses whichever method you use. An interesting statistic I gleaned from "Accelerated Learning" by Pam Reid is that dogs conditioned to a recall by means of a really nasty shock retained the training far longer than with any other method. Her comment was that after the training you could basically throw the collar away and never use it again. Investigation revealed that the response was continually reinforced by the relief the dog felt at evading the shock by responding to the recall, which supplied positive reinforcement every time the dog heard the cue. Timing is crucial to using this method, as is conditioning the dog to NOT associate the collar with the shock.
I have personally not used the collar in this way, but the fact is that positive punishment correctly applied is indeed extremely effective. The problem lies in the fact that most don't have the timing to do it accurately, and also that most of us don't want to cause severe pain to our animals, even when it is of very brief duration. Modern e collars can be used with less physical discomfort than an ordinary collar and leash, but give you the advantage of control at a distance. The cautionary is that they are not a good tool unless you spend the time to learn how to use them correctly, and I don't think they should be sold independently of a course in their use. I also think they are not appropriate for some breeds of dog as a stand alone training tool, but are valuable with dogs such as Basenjis to remind them that there are consequences to ignoring a command that they understand, and I have no qualms about using the collar in this way. My dog is fully aware that HE controls any discomfort he may experience.
BTW, as I have mentioned before, I agree that clicker training is an extremely effective way to teach new behaviours, and I use it myself all the time. However, I haven't noted any particular trend of clicker trainers predominating in the obedience ring, although they appear to have more of a following in agility. Not sure why this is, but it could be because of the "culture" of the different disciplines.
Would love to hear your comment on "comfort zone". I used the term without particularly thinking about alternate interpretations. I know what mine is, and would like to know whether yours varies much from what I intended…..lots of meaning gets lost in translation. Especially on the internet.
My previous Bs had a lot of off leash activity so getting out I guess they didn't get that "I"M FREE FINALLY!" feeling. The funny thing is they'd get out when I was going in and out of the side garage door doing yard work. They would go next door, water their lawn :p and then come right back and be scratching at the door to get in. I've been doing weekly off leash hiking with Buddy on the weekends and he's been pretty good about staying with me and coming back. It took a couple of years before I started letting him off. He's more work then my previous 3 who had off leash since they were pups.
I am so happy that Chipley is fine. As for not being able to catch Chipley, I wonder if Usain Bolt would even be able to. Now THAT would be an interesting race to watch. 
Kipawa is only ever allowed off leash in places that are fenced parks or on the dikes in our area, as there are no streets or cars there. I just know it would kill me if something happened…
My neighbor called me a while ago to tell me our dog was in his back yard ! I went out & found the gate was left open, I closed the gate , went back inside to get his leash & hung up the phone, all panicked. I turn around and the dog is standing behind me. Somehow he snuck around me and went back in the house while I was out looking for him. He gave me this look like "what?"
Nothing more panicking than having a basenji on the loose (cars).
Barkless, that is so funny! I can just see that "what?" look.
Chip is not a runner, in fact none of mine are, I was very surprised that he slipped out as I can leave the front door open and he just comes out to greet me and goes back in the house
All's well that ends well. I hope every escaped basenji comes home safely like Chip did.
We chose our house, on a quiet rural cul de sac with an 8' Basenji proof fence, with the B's in mind. On the few occasions they've gotten loose, my reflex action is to grab their Cookie Jar. The neighbours think I'm nuts when they see me running down the road clanging dog biscuits in a huge glass bin, but it works like a charm. I even used it to lead a shy puppy mill foster boy home after he bolted out the door…he wouldn't let me put a leash on him, but he was happy to follow the jingling jar!
Our Neighbor had a Min Pin that was running loose & I saw them drive up to it in a car, opened the car door, saying "car ride" & the dog jumped. in.
Our Neighbor had a Min Pin that was running loose & I saw them drive up to it in a car, opened the car door, saying "car ride" & the dog jumped. in.
That's how my girlfriend catches her Jack Russell.
Certainly there is no physically catching most dogs & chasing them is out of the question.
Next door neighbors greeted us with "Are you missing a dog?" Seems we had barely driven away when Chipley wiggled out the gate.
Do you really, regularly leave your dog alone in the yard when you leave the house???
My dogs all have yard access 24/7 with a dog door and fenced yard. They go out to sun, do 'business' but spend most of the time in the house, lounging on the couch or bed. We have had this arrangement since mid 70's and only escapes (when we were gone) have been meter-reader related. The meters were moved to the side of the house so they didn't have to open the gate!
Before we made a little fenced "porch" we had regular escapes, when they shoved us aside to run out. Quickly caught, often using the car 'hop in, go for ride' routine. We built that around '83, when we had 5 and my husband declared he was never chasing another basenji!
We live in a very quiet neighborhood, no through-traffic, and it's on an island, so they can't go too far even if they were to leave the neighborhood!
Guppy never escapes. Even when his sister does. I will come home to one dog out and Guppy on the couch.
Lately, I've run my dogs in Puppia harnesses to protect their necks from the martingale collars. This morning, however, Shaye slipped her harness when she stopped to pee: just turned around like lightning and backed right out of it!. It took me and half the people around and outside to catch her. She ran down to the garbage dumpsters at the back of our development, and by the time I got there she had her head through a plastic bag that "missed" the throw evidently, was digging in whatever that was, and when I grabbed the bag she tore out of it and ran all over the empty fields nearby, between houses, up and down the streets, everywhere, but always running back to the area, just out of reach. I first thought if I drove the cart away from her, she'd follow and want to jump in to ride. Hah - no such luck. So I drove back to the field she was in, and when she stopped to poop I nearly had her, but just as I grabbed, she bolted. Some woman with a jack russell terrier was out walking with her dog, and Shaye ran up to her trying to get at the jack russell, which the woman picked up so Shaye she couldn't reach her. She said her dog is very unfriendly. Two guys were outside putting lights up on their house close by and they tried to tempt Shaye with treats, but she'd get real near to them and then bounce away - too smart for that routine, I guess. We had traffic stopped because they were afraid she'd come barreling out between houses and run across the street and they'd hit her. She would not come to me of course, that meant being brought home and that little burst of freedom was just too wonderful in her mind. Thank God we live in a close-knit little community and everyone drives slow and watches out for such stuff. Eventually the woman with the jack russell put her dog in her house, and came back with a piece of bacon to about 20 feet away from me. Shaye did go up to get the bacon and she grabbed her. If it wasn't for that, I'm afraid she'd still be running around. And, even after all that, when we got into the house, her first steps were right to the cupboard for a treat. Oh yeah, that was likely. Plus all through this nightmare poor Gemma, my b-mix, sat right on the seat of the golf cart and never tried to chase Shaye, didn't make a lurch for her own freedom, didn't bark or anything else. She just sat there watching, probably thinking "what's wrong with that bitch?". What a good girl. In retrospect, my thoughts on all the remarks people were making: "what a beautiful dog," "wow isn't she fast?" all fall into the category of be careful of what you wish for as I consider how much and for how long I wanted a basenji before I got Shaye.
Shaye wanted you to have more excitement in your life, haha!
So happy that Chipley was safe! (Have you posted pictures of this little one yet?)
Hi Patty…he's not so little! He gains weight when everyone else is losing, eating the same amount of the same foods! I'm not good with posting photos to this site, sorry, I don't think I have posted any of him. He is a tall boy and has grown a thick winter coat, I am teasing him and calling him a 'border collie mix' !
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"We chose our house, on a quiet rural cul de sac with an 8' Basenji proof fence, with the B's in mind. On the few occasions they've gotten loose, my reflex action is to grab their Cookie Jar. The neighbours think I'm nuts when they see me running down the road clanging dog biscuits in a huge glass bin, but it works like a charm. I even used it to lead a shy puppy mill foster boy home after he bolted out the door…he wouldn't let me put a leash on him, but he was happy to follow the jingling jar!"
That would probably be a funny scene with the cookie jar! But it works! sounds like something I do too. I have 10 acres and he does go off leash on the part that is not fenced in at times (our back yard). So when I want to recall him, I had him very well conditioned to the whistle as he partially learned it from Candi the hound mix. Both are so food driven (luckily...). When I blow it, he comes running to a screaming halt to get the 'treat' I always have for him. I am not saying it is 100% fool proof, but he has dropped a mushroom in exchange for the 'whistle treat'. 99.99% he comes 'running' to me immediately, sometimes he takes his time....but he comes.....Really wouldn't want to experiment in a residential area, but he has been to the neighbors house 5 acres away playing with the other dogs, and he does come back within a few minutes, and a few blows from me!
Wow - did this just come through this way or is it someone posting in another language - anyone know??
