Basenji ribs - to see or not to see?
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There could be a number of reasons for the appearance of the sloughi you showed, from age to health, nutrition ( is the dog absorbing the nutrients of it's meal) etc. And knowing this i dont immediately judge an owner. I am not a breeder so this is all my opinion. I for one have a friend whose dog is healthy as a horse and no matter how much she feeds him, he maintains a slender, ribby look. You are right that everyone sees their own "ideal". My view in regards to the right weight " I know it when I see it"
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I dont understand how someone could pay for show dogs and import then to Malaysia but not have the …. "curiosity" to research the breed , at least look at other basenjis to know what they are supposed to look like... It makes me think somethings up,... No one can see these dogs and think that's how they should be, all you have to do is google basenjis to see how they are supposed to be!!!! Not only the owner, but also the person doing the article should have investigated....
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Even if the guy seems responsible, something looks wrong with that dog's weight. Please talk to him. :(
Dear spirits, I should not have clicked on those pics. First, how do you know what it says, is there a translation? Is there any way to contact the reporter for info on the guy? That makes me sick. :(
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Debra, I read and speak Chinese. I stumbled across the site when I was trying to get a sense of whether there was any interest in Basenjis in the Chinese-speaking world, and sadly, this is what I found…
I have the reporter's name, but neither she nor the site has any contact info/e-mail/feedback form that I've been able to find yet. I think I have to contact the publisher. The website itself is annoying because you can't even comment on the articles, otherwise I would've left a note.
That was a headline article the week that it was published. The reporter concludes that Basenjis are NOT popular in Malaysia because (and I'm paraphrasing here from the article): 1) They look like street dogs, 2) They can't guard the home (because they don't bark), and 3) since they only come to heat "once a year or every other year" (according to the article), they don't have much economic value.
At this point, I feel like the reporter AND the breeder should both be boxed for not knowing what they're doing.
Sorry for the shocker re: pictures in the article, guys... but I guess that's why it's all the more unnerving that it was published as if this was how Basenjis normally look. I'll whip up a more complete writeup over the next couple days.
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Hey curlytails,
Im from Aus, and I will send off a few emails to a couple of breeders, and do some detective work, to see if I can get any info. I agree with you, Im sure the breeder will be VERY concerned to see his/her dogs in this condition, I know I would :mad:…
Can you email me the article, and when/if you have the time to do a basic translation, with names, dates etc, etc, would be great, and I will be a little 'bulldog detective', to see what I can find out ??? I dont recognize them, but it may be because they are sooooo underweight :mad:... Off the top of my head, Im unsure of anyone who exported to Malaysia, but in saying that, it doesnt mean they werent. Im sure the owner isnt lying when he said they were Aussie imports...
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I don't mind seeing some ribs on a dog (any shorthaired dog), but these poor pups are certainly way to skinny! I think the Sloughi looks ok for a young dog. As long as they have good musculature, I don't mind seeing ribs and hip bones on a sighthound like that. My absolute favorite breed (in looks) is the Azawakh.. and well.. they always show ribs and hipbones:
Tillo (or any other basenji) for me, looks perfect when you can see the ribs as soon as they starts to move, with a nice tuck up and good musculature.. Like this:
He's too chubby now :rolleyes:
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I don't mind seeing some ribs on a dog (any shorthaired dog), but these poor pups are certainly way to skinny! I think the Sloughi looks ok for a young dog. As long as they have good musculature, I don't mind seeing ribs and hip bones on a sighthound like that. My absolute favorite breed (in looks) is the Azawakh.. and well.. they always show ribs and hipbones:
Tillo (or any other basenji) for me, looks perfect when you can see the ribs as soon as they starts to move, with a nice tuck up and good musculature.. Like this:
He's too chubby now :rolleyes:
Agree with all of this! Except some Bs, by nature of their shape just will never have their ribs showing, unless they are far too skinny (our Blondie)..she just is naturally more, uh, stocky, or..fluffy. Even when she was at her most perfect show weight, and coursing fitness, no ribs ever showed through.
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google is happy to translate that page into English. That's what I always use
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This is the example of the statement 'Skin and Bones'. Just imagine the undernourished mind of these dogs- not normal indeed. So Sad!!!!
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There was a little brindle girl (B) that I say the other day..she was skin and bones, way too skinny for me and most that saw her, but not knowing her history I don't have a leg to stand on so to speak..she might have an eating disorder, or a really hard time keeping weight on…or something else..I just wonder why show her...but then again, maybe this is how her owner likes for her to look...just not my taste.
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"That was a headline article the week that it was published. The reporter concludes that Basenjis are NOT popular in Malaysia because (and I'm paraphrasing here from the article): 1) They look like street dogs, 2) They can't guard the home (because they don't bark), and 3) since they only come to heat "once a year or every other year" (according to the article), they don't have much economic value."
This again brings us to a common topic here on the forum. Generally speaking… On Earth... This is what people see in dogs..... Protection, Money, and to a lesser extent status!!!
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There was a little brindle girl (B) that I say the other day..she was skin and bones, way too skinny for me and most that saw her, but not knowing her history I don't have a leg to stand on so to speak..she might have an eating disorder, or a really hard time keeping weight on…or something else..I just wonder why show her...but then again, maybe this is how her owner likes for her to look...just not my taste.
There was a bitch showing up here a couple of years ago that was very, very thin…. I thought the same thing... the comments were that she eats like a horse but runs it all off... funny thing was, she was on the road with a handler and really no place to run, so to speak.....
Who was the bitch? Did you get a catalog?
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I don't mind seeing some ribs on a dog (any shorthaired dog), but these poor pups are certainly way to skinny! I think the Sloughi looks ok for a young dog. As long as they have good musculature, I don't mind seeing ribs and hip bones on a sighthound like that. My absolute favorite breed (in looks) is the Azawakh.. and well.. they always show ribs and hipbones:
Tillo (or any other basenji) for me, looks perfect when you can see the ribs as soon as they starts to move, with a nice tuck up and good musculature.. Like this:
He's too chubby now :rolleyes:
Well, over at THIS house, we think Tillo is PERFECT! :)
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There was a bitch showing up here a couple of years ago that was very, very thin…. I thought the same thing... the comments were that she eats like a horse but runs it all off... funny thing was, she was on the road with a handler and really no place to run, so to speak.....
Who was the bitch? Did you get a catalog?
I would be wondering about exocrine pancreatic insufficiency (EPI). I don't believe it is common in Basenjis, but my sister had a GSD with the problem. She ate and ate, had huge loose stools, and could not gain weight. Unfortunately she died of bloat before they figured out what her problem was….
I did find a thread on here that tells of a Basenji with the condition:
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Saba, thanks for investigating! I hope something comes out of your inquiries… maybe it's a long shot.
Janneke, those pictures are helpful. The one of the Azawakh in particular is in line with other Azawakh pictures I've seen. Somewhere I recall a breed description of Sloughis describing their musculature as similarly "dry" (Wikipedia says that too). At any rate, I don't get to see many of those breeds to compare! =) As for Tillo, while he has some visible ribs, he's always struck me as a brawny, athletic dog -- his muscles are clear and he looks great.
I just checked out Google translate's version. I am very amused by the literal translation of "shellfish raw guitar dogs." But yeah, you can actually get a sense of some of the article.
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Debra, I read and speak Chinese.
Sorry for the shocker re: pictures in the article, guys…I am impressed. Chinese looks so hard.
Shocker? No, just sad. Someone posted a pic on Facebook with a dog with its throat cut (it lived but the picture was horrific). That was really unnecessary imho.
My absolute favorite breed (in looks) is the Azawakh..
Tillo (or any other basenji) for me, looks perfect when you can see the ribs as soon as they starts to move,I had never heard of Azawakh before. Impressive looking dogs! But I googled them and most look healthy, muscled, thin but not emaciated. I could get used to that. :)
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Tanza, I don't know, and no..I did not get the catalog, will try to find out who it was though.
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Tanza, I don't know, and no..I did not get the catalog, will try to find out who it was though.
Not important. The catalog with the results will be on Onofrio site soon.
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I was told at the dog show this past weekend that my dog could drop a pound or two and he would do better for showing. Because he is a hound he should have a more defined tuck. The dogs I was showing against looked thin….like you could see their ribs...they were puppies though, but I thought my boy was at a really nice weight. So now I am a little confused too.
