Basenji mate
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Also too…say ALL the puppies are very ill and you cannot afford the vet bills for ALL of them...what are you going to do? Euthanize them? Or let them suffer all because you didnt listen to us and decided to irresponsibly breed sick dogs? Think of the future...and what COULD happen
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Anubis's Mommy, you might want to note that the poster is in Indonesia…
That said, just because Basenjis are rare there, it does not make it right to breed a sick puppy. It definitely will NOT help your chances of finding a healthy basenji on those 14,000 islands if your puppies are out there and unfixed, whether or not you sell them.
Please, please reconsider. I'm not trying to say I know more than your vet, but I do have to question what your vet is thinking if she's telling you that it's okay to breed dogs with genetic defects?? (I guess that means she'll be able to count on you as a client for a long time!) Research the costs and the care of dealing with a dog with not just PRA or Fanconi, but any of the other genetic diseases that Basenjis are prone to, and ask yourself if you really want to be responsible for doing that to a breed you love.
There was a post recently too about some of the difficulties that can happen in breeding... It's very useful information.
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Anubis's Mommy, you might want to note that the poster is in Indonesia…
That said, just because Basenjis are rare there, it does not make it right to breed a sick puppy. It definitely will NOT help your chances of finding a healthy basenji on those 14,000 islands if your puppies are out there and unfixed, whether or not you sell them.
Please, please reconsider. I'm not trying to say I know more than your vet, but I do have to question what your vet is thinking if she's telling you that it's okay to breed dogs with genetic defects?? (I guess that means she'll be able to count on you as a client for a long time!) Research the costs and the care of dealing with a dog with not just PRA or Fanconi, but any of the other genetic diseases that Basenjis are prone to, and ask yourself if you really want to be responsible for doing that to a breed you love.
There was a post recently too about some of the difficulties that can happen in breeding... It's very useful information.
nice post.. this make me reconsider, not judging at all
okay i will call the vet and discuss about spaying them as soon as possible before she get pregnant. -
okay i will call the vet and discuss about spaying them as soon as possible before she get pregnant.
Thank you for considering this carefully. I hope your vet will be able to help you do the right thing.
I know there are some other non-US/Canadian and non-European forum members here that have thought about breeding Basenjis. It's difficult to do it well without the proper infrastructure, even if you have spent time acquiring a lot of knowledge.
Shannanigan on the Virgin Islands has a good story about what happened to a breeder who ended up with more puppies than he planned on keeping.
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=9879
There is a lot of passion and experience on this board, and I think that is why people are quick to "judge" sometimes. Myself included. But it's just how strongly these special dogs make us feel. =)
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Nice post curlytails. I do hope he follows through and this litter doesn't happen.
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also both sire and dam are passed fancony syndrom test
How were they tested? Did you send for the cheek swab DNA test kit from the U.S., or does Indonesia have DNA testing for Fanconi?
If they were tested in some other manner, it most likely means that they don't have Fanconi right now, but that doesn't mean they won't have it in the future. Even with the current DNA test, it's not an absolute test, so all Basenjis, even if tested as "probable clear" should be strip tested monthly starting at 3 years of age.
I do hope you will take everyone's advice here, and have your dogs spayed and neutered (yes, BOTH the females and the males).
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Is it just me or is it completely wrong to have filmed the entire 5+ minutes????
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Just so very sad, I feel for those poor animals
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Very nice post Curlytails! I am very happy you are going to reconsider. Curlytails knows what they are talking about and it is good to listen to them. You could end up with more problems that you cannot handle. Thank you for reconsidering!!!
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that it was filmed and then proudly displayed
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I think this all relates to a comment I made on another thread about breeders in mexico, or latin america in general. I can feel it is the same in indonesia,..people just do not see this issue the way we see it, Most people see no problem with dogs breeding, they actually consider it " kind of cruel to NOT let dogs breed. And most, OF course not all, but most people see money first, they dont consider animal cruelty, or the future of the animal, and I think you are right on about the vet.. I cant explain why , its just that I have seen this first hand so much here in dominican republic,.. people just dont get it!!
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I am so disgusted at this post. I couldn't even read all of it. How pitiful and sad for the momma and the puppies. I truly hope the spay happens. :-(
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According to his deleted first post, the dog will be spayed on Monday.
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I rescued from a dog auction a young female under 1 year old who was supposedly running with a male. After she was spayed, I was told she was pregnant. She did not look like it at all. There were no complications with the spay.
Jennifer
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I think this all relates to a comment I made on another thread about breeders in mexico, or latin america in general. I can feel it is the same in indonesia,..people just do not see this issue the way we see it, Most people see no problem with dogs breeding, they actually consider it " kind of cruel to NOT let dogs breed. And most, OF course not all, but most people see money first, they dont consider animal cruelty, or the future of the animal, and I think you are right on about the vet.. I cant explain why , its just that I have seen this first hand so much here in dominican republic,.. people just dont get it!!
you are right about the cultural differences. i deal with ppl from many different countries and they have all said it is cruel to spay/neuter, that dogs/cats should do what is natural. i think informing them of some of the issues in a calm, neutral manner is the best we can do. sometimes we have to accept that cultures do things differently and we can't always see it as right and wrong.
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I hope the positive posts helped this fellow reach the right decision for the dogs involved.
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I never diss pet owners or breeders on a public forum.. but you just scream that you want it with a nice big target on your forehead.
While I would never wish a disease on a dog,
I truly believe that YOU are the kind of person that DESERVES to live with a Fanconi affected dog…
that is also blind and crippled.That might be the only thing to keep you from breeding again.
Maybe seeing your blind crippled dog lumbering around while it pees throughout the house you might reconsider breeding ever again...
but then again.. probably not by the sheer stupidity of the previous posts.
GAWD help those dogs.
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Oh, My!!!!!
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Kathy, the person says going to neuter both on Monday. Hope that they are and will stick around and learn from here.
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Yes, its difficult but not imposible to bread on Latin America, M?xico or Indonesian, but need to have patience, make a buck not with the dogs and wait until the right dog shows up.
And then, still need to think what its the purpose of breeding her.
The only purpose for a lot of people is make some money with the dogs.
But if you read on these forum you can notice that even on the USA are irresponsible breeders, so need to learn from the people that really loves the dogs. And stay away from breeding any kind of dog until you know what are you doing.
Happily you are taking the most happy desicion. :-)
Enjoy your dogs and get patience, and about the vets.. well, the most of them ever on their lives have seen a basenji until you walk into their practices. So i prefer to search and read by my self.
Dont bread a sick dog! a friend breed his bulldog and first lost almost the full litter, then the only survivor and the mom get sick! And the mom finally pass away. After suffer a lot of surgerys for a lot of complications and my friend that really loves her, spent a lot of money on vet bills.
There is no fanconi test outside USA.. just on Europe and by mail from USA.
I wanna breed some time a basenji litter, but will wait until i get the fanconi, the right dogs and have some money ready to spent on the matter, from my work, not from my female.
Really dont breed a sick dog, is unnatural and the natural dont forget, forgive and return a high hard prize on that mistake.
