A Sad Day…....

[thunderbird8588]

I am very sorry to hear about Sonny's problem, it must be an awful shock to you.
I do believe like other people have said that it is probably far worse for you than him.
He will as you have said begun adapting and will no doubt just get on with the rest of his life with a very loving owner.

[YodelDogs]

For those unfamiliar with PRA, at this time, there is no definitive test to determine whether a dog carries this disorder or will later be affected by it. A diagnosis of PRA does not indicate that the breeder was irresponsible. Even the most responsible breeder who CERF's their dogs' eyes for generations into old age and uses vertical pedigrees to plan breedings can be surprised when PRA appears. There is hope that in the future will will have a direct test. This is why it is important to report affecteds to the Canine Phenome Project. The more information that breeders and owners provide can lead to the discovery of the genes that produce PRA. Together, we will eventually stamp out this disorder.

[sonnyboy]

@YodelDogs:

For those unfamiliar with PRA, at this time, there is no definitive test to determine whether a dog carries this disorder or will later be affected by it. A diagnosis of PRA does not indicate that the breeder was irresponsible. Even the most responsible breeder who CERF's their dogs' eyes for generations into old age and uses vertical pedigrees to plan breedings can be surprised when PRA appears. There is hope that in the future will will have a direct test. This is why it is important to report affecteds to the Canine Phenome Project. The more information that breeders and owners provide can lead to the discovery of the genes that produce PRA. Together, we will eventually stamp out this disorder.

Thank you Robyn for explaining that better then I could have found the words to do so. Some of the reason I choose not to discuss Sonny's breeder in this post was because I knew those that did not understand PRA completely would assume Sonny's breeder was at fault because this was a hereditary disorder. And that is just not the truth. Sonny's breeder is a responsible breeder who does all the right health testing. And I have started the process or registering Sonny in the Canine Phenome Project.

[tanza]

Thanks for posting Sonny with CPP…. I would also like to say, that as a responsible breeder, the most responsible thing you can do is be open about health issues and when you have a problem or discover a problem put it out there.... The thing to remember is that most all our Basenjis are related and carry many of the same blood lines, so if something pops in one line, others that have related dogs could breed into having the same problems and not know it....

[DebraDownSouth]

Glad you explained because I thought you were simply trying to protect the breeder by not disclosing. A good breeder wouldn't care. And as sad as this is, at least you can help educate others so they understand. I would have hoped everyone here with a basenji had read up on PRA… so I wasn't even thinking about people thinking the breeder was bad for producing a PRA dog, I was just concerned if the info wasn't shared. You are a good owner.

I always hate to hear bad things, but am always glad when the dog is lucky enough to be with an owner like you who will do right by it. Rescues see so many blind dogs from owners who toss them aside. And then there are people like you. I can't help your dog, I can't help you feel less sad, but please allow me to applaud and be grateful Sonny has you.

[khanis]

Sorry to hear about Sonny's diagnosis.
As PP has said, it is far worse for you than it is him.
I have lived with more than one blind Basenji and quite frankly…
they live a great life.
None of mine ever starved themself.
They did not pee in their bed or all over the house.
They did not have muscle atrophy.
They were and ARE great companions.
They adapt well to their losses.
The thing about PRA is that it is progressive.... it is not all at one time.
They lose sight over time.
They learn their surroundings and adapt to them.

I lived with my blind Africans for nearly a year before I knew they were blind.
Unlike PRA, they have Juvenile Cataracts.
This was not something we knew about... nor could have predicted to happen.

They didn't take their time going blind.
Many people told me I was nuts that my dogs did not act blind and could easily see everything.
I knew differently after much money spend with specialists!

You have a great dog that you love dearly.
Be happy that he is healthy and a good companion.
Just don't change the furniture!!

[sonnyboy]

@DebraDownSouth:

Glad you explained because I thought you were simply trying to protect the breeder by not disclosing. A good breeder wouldn't care. And as sad as this is, at least you can help educate others so they understand. I would have hoped everyone here with a basenji had read up on PRA… so I wasn't even thinking about people thinking the breeder was bad for producing a PRA dog, I was just concerned if the info wasn't shared. You are a good owner.

I always hate to hear bad things, but am always glad when the dog is lucky enough to be with an owner like you who will do right by it. Rescues see so many blind dogs from owners who toss them aside. And then there are people like you. I can't help your dog, I can't help you feel less sad, but please allow me to applaud and be grateful Sonny has you.

Thank you very much for those very kind words….

[sonnyboy]

@khanis:

Sorry to hear about Sonny's diagnosis.
As PP has said, it is far worse for you than it is him.
I have lived with more than one blind Basenji and quite frankly…
they live a great life.
None of mine ever starved themself.
They did not pee in their bed or all over the house.
They did not have muscle atrophy.
They were and ARE great companions.
They adapt well to their losses.
The thing about PRA is that it is progressive.... it is not all at one time.
They lose sight over time.
They learn their surroundings and adapt to them.

I lived with my blind Africans for nearly a year before I knew they were blind.
Unlike PRA, they have Juvenile Cataracts.
This was not something we knew about... nor could have predicted to happen.

They didn't take their time going blind.
Many people told me I was nuts that my dogs did not act blind and could easily see everything.
I knew differently after much money spend with specialists!

You have a great dog that you love dearly.
Be happy that he is healthy and a good companion.
Just don't change the furniture!!

Thank you Kathy…As the week as gone on and I've watch Sonny go about life at normal...Playing with his friends at the farm. Enjoying our long walks and playing around the house I've slowly started to smile again and realize he's still the happy dog he's always been!

[tanza]

Just a quick note, as a responsible breeder, if I found that one of my breeding had PRA or Fanconi for that matter.. I would be the first to put it out there… A responsible breeder should not be afraid to admit health problems and should not expect their puppy owners to "hide" the facts or the pedigrees, once the breeder has been notified. Just saying................

[sonnyboy]

@tanza:

Just a quick note, as a responsible breeder, if I found that one of my breeding had PRA or Fanconi for that matter.. I would be the first to put it out there… A responsible breeder should not be afraid to admit health problems and should not expect their puppy owners to "hide" the facts or the pedigrees, once the breeder has been notified. Just saying................

I have never made any statement that said Sonny's breeder asked or expected me to "hide" anything…. I said very clearly it was my personal choice...

[agilebasenji]

@tanza:

Just a quick note, as a responsible breeder, if I found that one of my breeding had PRA or Fanconi for that matter.. I would be the first to put it out there… A responsible breeder should not be afraid to admit health problems and should not expect their puppy owners to "hide" the facts or the pedigrees, once the breeder has been notified. Just saying................

Yes, but I also think that Sonnyboy's owner needs time to talk to the breeder, maybe several times before deciding to go public. I think that is the right order of things. And while my first thought was wanting to know the pedigree of SB, I think not putting that information here in this thread was perhaps a better, wiser route as now this thread is about SB not about the breeder and bloodlines. I also think that after SB's owner has time to reflect, and grieve that he or she may be more forthcoming about SB's pedigree. Whatever the descision, I hope Sonnyboy has a long, fun-filled life ahead.

[MacPack]

I've watch Sonny go about life at normal…Playing with his friends at the farm. Enjoying our long walks and playing around the house I've slowly started to smile again and realize he's still the happy dog he's always been!

Wonderful! News like that would make us all a bit queasy, but Sonny is still the same happy boy!

[tanza]

@sonnyboy:

I have never made any statement that said Sonny's breeder asked or expected me to "hide" anything…. I said very clearly it was my personal choice...

I have not ever said that I was saying that Sonny's breeder wanted to hide things, it was a general statement. If it came across that way, my apologies.

And while it is certainly a personal choice for you to share or not share is certainly up to you.

But by not either releasing the breeding information or having those results public on the OFA site (which would be something that you would do with the CERF report) then it is a "black hole" for any breeder that might have the same bloodlines

[Scoops]

So sorry to hear this news on Sonny, but you know dogs are so adaptable like most animals. Once you have come to terms with it all I'm sure you'll go from strength to strength.

Just for the record I'm sure one day this diesease will be eradicated. Here in the UK we eye test our Dobes for PHPV, so we can now breed clear to clear and slowly but surely the problem is under control, but it all takes time.

Big hugs to you and Sonny…....Cooper sends Barooooooooooos !!!!!:)

[Patty]

I was pleased to hear that you're beginning to smile again and I'm sure you'll be smiling a lot more soon when you realise just how well Sonny is coping.

[sharronhurlbut]

I had an older blind b…she did great. Just talk to them more, and make sure they are leashed when outside of a fenced area. Otherwise, in the house, the nose keeps them
headed to the food dish and the outside peeing area!
Hugs, I know you will have many more years with your beloved b.

[tanza]

Sonnyboy:
I hope that you read this post. There is a need by Dr. Johnson who is leading the search for the direct Fanconi gene that he is looking for a confirmed PRA Basenji that is also Fanconi DNA tested clear. I don't remember if you ever posted his Fanconi status, but if he is clear, then his blood could make a difference between finding the gene sooner rather then later along with finding the gene for PRA. Not asking that you post public as you have already indicated that you didn't want to do that. But if you contact me privately (go to my website for email link) I can give you the name of the contact person on the BCOA health committee that you can give information to OR ask your breeder to contact this person. If you or your breeder wishes to have this information not made public, that is what will be done. We are in urgent need of a blood sample for this project.

Thank you!

[sinbaje]

Sonny also has cataracts Pat and he is too young for the typical PRA we have and that Lisa Hart is looking for, so he is not exactly what is needed as she stated to the HRC.

Lisa if Sonny's second opinion with the guru optho's comes up as PRA - drop me a line and I can get you in touch with Lisa Hart. If is second opine is not PRA - YEAH! and no need to contact anyone - though I will personally want to know. Fingers crossed.

[tanza]

I already gave her Lisa's information to contact through a private email, Linda when she contacted me directly

[MrBaRooampBitty]

I'm sorry to hear about your baby's problem but remember dogs adapt to these things so well. 30 years ago my beloved GSD developed cataracts and as a result could only see the difference between light and dark for the last 5 years of his life, and he coped beautifully, as long as we didnt rearrange the furniture.

On an additional serious note, our 16 yo Jindo, Sami, suffered a heart attack yesterday morning, was in serious pain and our vet had to put her down. As with all primitive breeds she was a handful her whole life but we loved her more because of her DGAS attitude. Please say a little prayer for Sami. Thanks