Shock collar training

[nomrbddgs]

This person asked for an opinion on the pet store collars and since I had used remote collars for field work many, many, MANY (over 15) years ago, I gave an opinion. Everyone learns about negative and positive reinforcement differently and within different time frames. Most of us would not use these anymore, but would try to learn more positive reinforcement methods.

Oh, by the way, I did try it on myself before I put it on the dog and I never went up even half way-there was no need. Sometimes just the beep (or vibration on some) has the desired effect.

[Rita Jean]

Shep 18 I am happy things are going well for you. Your are so correct if used in the correct way they are not bad and so much better than having a puppy or dog get away and get killed.

Quercus and tanza
In my eyes if you two have 6 month old puppies that just sit on chair and watch tv there is something wrong with them. Jaycee full of life and plays and has fun the tv comes only at about 9:30 to 10:00 P.M. at night. Jaycee loves to play and watch outside wild animals in door so when I say do not sit and watch tv I am sure when she gets older she might but until then…....................

Rita Jean

[Quercus]

@Rita:

Shep 18 I am happy things are going well for you. Your are so correct if used in the correct way they are not bad and so much better than having a puppy or dog get away and get killed.

Quercus and tanza
In my eyes if you two have 6 month old puppies that just sit on chair and watch tv there is something wrong with them. Jaycee full of life and plays and has fun the tv comes only at about 9:30 to 10:00 P.M. at night. Jaycee loves to play and watch outside wild animals in door so when I say do not sit and watch tv I am sure when she gets older she might but until then…....................

Rita Jean

Well, here's the problem…you said "we all know these aren't sit on the chair and watch TV dogs"...and indeed, that is your experience with one, six month old, Basenji. Your shock collar worked with one, six month old, Basenji.

You a bring a different perspective here, which is great.....but so far, your only experience is with one, six month old Basenji. It is kind of early to tell what has worked, and what hasn't for Jaycee's long term training.

With all the six month old pups that have lived here (not that many compared to some on the forums), of course they ran around, shredded stuff up, played with the others, and acted like puppies. Then they all fell asleep on the couch, either with the other dogs, or the humans in the evening. There is nothing wrong with them :rolleyes:

[tanza]

@Rita:

Shep 18 I am happy things are going well for you. Your are so correct if used in the correct way they are not bad and so much better than having a puppy or dog get away and get killed.

Quercus and tanza
In my eyes if you two have 6 month old puppies that just sit on chair and watch tv there is something wrong with them. Jaycee full of life and plays and has fun the tv comes only at about 9:30 to 10:00 P.M. at night. Jaycee loves to play and watch outside wild animals in door so when I say do not sit and watch tv I am sure when she gets older she might but until then…....................

Rita Jean

Did I say anything about 6 month old puppies? You said "we all know these aren't sit on the chair and watch TV dogs", I said mine do?… Did I say puppies and that was all they do? I don't think so... you are comparing your one puppy, one experience with a Basenji which is fine and it might work for your pup... long term, who knows. Chances IMO using things like shock collars will come back to "bite" you in the end.

And I still believe it is the easy way out... and if the day comes that one of these dogs that are wearing a shock collar has enough and bites back... who will suffer? The dog... who brought it on the dog... the human

[Rita Jean]

Here is the problem the Basenji is a great dog and does some really wild and cool things and can be very stubborn. I may have ONLY experience with one, six month old Basenji but I am far from the experience of stubborn. Over twenty years with Akitas and over 10 years with Shiba. Now if you think they are a walk in the park and just roll over and sit you will be very incorrect.

Rita Jean

[Rita Jean]

Tanza you have your way and I have mine. I have gentle loving dogs that do mind and I have had the long term on dogs for a long time. However with having been said enough is enough as a road also parts and goes seperate ways so this also needs to. There are much more things to talk about other than killing the comments here over and over.

Rita Jean

[tanza]

@Rita:

Tanza you have your way and I have mine. I have gentle loving dogs that do mind and I have had the long term on dogs for a long time. However with having been said enough is enough as a road also parts and goes seperate ways so this also needs to. There are much more things to talk about other than killing the comments here over and over.

Rita Jean

I agree, however I am not the only one that disagrees with the use of shock collars… and I also have gentle loving companions... you make it out like the rest of us have ill mannered, untrainable Basenjis.... when in fact we have well mannered Basenjis that didn't need to be taught with punishment

[snorky998]

There's a big difference between training a dog with compassion, and breaking his will to do a humans bidding. Just MHO.

No shock collar for me…ever.

[Basenjimamma]

I have never used it, although my hubby was raised with them using it on all their dogs. It was a struggle to not let him use it on our first dogs together and I won..We did have to put an electrical fence on the top of our 8' fence, to keep Lou, our mutt from jumping out…he did it anyway so we turned the current off. He only jumped out to pee and once he was done, he would jump back in...weirdo..He just crossed teh Rainbow Bridge in April...an awesome dog he was. I do have some friends that use them and they say they work great, but I haven't felt the need yet, nor will I.

[Rita Jean]

Electric Fence is 100 times worst than a collar. Our neighbor had one on theres and when they were out of town we would over see the dogs. It was always on low but that hurt and it could burn you. I got into it by accident trying to get the dogs toy after I got hit I knew why the toy was there and he was not. Smart dog stupid human.

Rita Jean

[Basenjimamma]

Yes I know I am a horrible person, aren't you glad you got a jab at me? Luckily Lou was a Golden/Chow/Dalmation mix with lots of fur, so needless to say he didn't feel diddlesquat..he cleared that 8' fence with inches to give, so he wouldn't have felt it anyway…thus is why we turned it off and dismounted it..To each his own.

[Quercus]

@Rita:

Electric Fence is 100 times worst than a collar. Our neighbor had one on theres and when they were out of town we would over see the dogs. It was always on low but that hurt and it could burn you. I got into it by accident trying to get the dogs toy after I got hit I knew why the toy was there and he was not. Smart dog stupid human.

Rita Jean

Actually, I would be WAY more likely to use an invisible fence, or hot wire fence, because the correction is absolutely predictible for the dog, the timing is always perfect because there is no human delivering the correction. Also the dog does not associate the shock with the human, it more like an 'act of god' for the dog. They can still superstitiously make an incorrect association with the shock…but it is less likely because, again, the sequence and timing are absolutely predictible and consistant. Unlike most human trainers.

[Quercus]

@Basenjimamma:

Yes I know I am a horrible person, aren't you glad you got a jab at me? Luckily Lou was a Golden/Chow/Dalmation mix with lots of fur, so needless to say he didn't feel diddlesquat..he cleared that 8' fence with inches to give, so he wouldn't have felt it anyway…thus is why we turned it off and dismounted it..To each his own.

That is CRAZY that a dog would clear an 8' fence just to go pee, he must have had some serious determination!!! I would tear my hair out!

[Basenjimamma]

What is real crazy is that he would jump back in when he was done..I think he did all this to pi–off our Westie, Bogus..because he couldn't get out.. Lou would even jump up on a 4x4 fence post and sit there all 42 lbs of him, like a squirrel..funny sight. The first time our elderly neighbor lady saw this I though she was going to keel over..poor lady. She litterally though he was a gigantic squirrel. To get him to jump over when he would get to the frontyard if we were playing with the kids or something, all you had to say was "do you want a bath?" he flew over the fence to get back in...he hated water more than I have seen Otis hate it..
Here is a pic of him taken a few months before he passed away in April.

[tanza]

What a cutie…. thanks for the picture... and what a "nut" to be jumping the fence to pee... gggg silly boy.....

And I agree with Quercus about the hot wired fence.....

[Quercus]

He is adorable! I can just see him perched on a pole

[RedVelvetLynx]

@Basenjimamma:

Awww…he looks so soft & cuddly in that photograph!

[shep_18]

@tanza:

Did I say anything about 6 month old puppies? You said "we all know these aren't sit on the chair and watch TV dogs", I said mine do?… Did I say puppies and that was all they do? I don't think so... you are comparing your one puppy, one experience with a Basenji which is fine and it might work for your pup... long term, who knows. Chances IMO using things like shock collars will come back to "bite" you in the end.

And I still believe it is the easy way out... and if the day comes that one of these dogs that are wearing a shock collar has enough and bites back... who will suffer? The dog... who brought it on the dog... the human

Have you just read horror stories about shock collars or have you actually USED ONE? I've spent over $1500 on trainers and classes alone. I have done so much to try and train him and spent so much time and worked my butt off!! For me this is in no way shape or form an "easy way out" I'm glad that the only experiences you have had allow you to see this way as the "easy way out"

and just because the collar is called a "shock collar" doesnt mean thats all it does. Like i said before right now i rarely use the shock option and if i do its the lowest setting. What i think is cruel are bark collars because there is no control over them and they just shock the dog over and over

[JazzysMom]

@shep_18:

I have decided that I want to do some shock collar training with my dog. Can anyone tell me what the best collar under $100 is? I want the kind for inside the house with a remote and i can't decide which one is the best one. He is a basenji mix so he is about 40lbs.

(if you don't like shock collars please do not comment.)

Honestly, it's not always necessary for everyone to voice their every opinion.
As I tell my children, every thought that pops into your head does not need to fall out your mouth {or keyboard}.

Obviously, Shep KNOWS that many people do not like to use shock collars, and politely requested that those folks NOT reply. And yet, somehow, this still disintegrated into an argument about shock collars.

Everyone has had their own life experiences, everyone has done their own research. Why is it so impossible to believe that there may be a small off-chance your opinion, experience, research is not the ONLY correct opinion, experience, or research. It really is quite maddening.

[Quercus]

@JazzysMom:

Honestly, it's not always necessary for everyone to voice their every opinion.
As I tell my children, every thought that pops into your head does not need to fall out your mouth {or keyboard}.

Obviously, Shep KNOWS that many people do not like to use shock collars, and politely requested that those folks NOT reply. And yet, somehow, this still disintegrated into an argument about shock collars.

Everyone has had their own life experiences, everyone has done their own research. Why is it so impossible to believe that there may be a small off-chance your opinion, experience, research is not the ONLY correct opinion, experience, or research. It really is quite maddening.

Oh, believe me…I haven't typed every thought that pop into my head. But honestly, on a public chat board, you have to expect that if you post something controversial, people are going to respond. Especially if you 'know' the people on the board at all. EVEN if you include a very polite request to not react. The original poster would have been better served to find a forum on e-collar training, or hunting dog training, or some such...then he/she wouldn't have needed to face controversy.