re: Fanconi - NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO UNKNOWINGLY DEAL WITH A FANCONI DOG - NO ONE - NO MATTER WHERE YOUR DOG CAME FROM.
We are passionate about it because we (basenji club members and responsible breeders) have been funding and supporting and trying every thing possible with this horrid disease. We take ownership of it almost as much as if we were doing the tests personally ourselves whether we were actively involved in it or not.
We also are the ones who get the calls from crying owners - who had been told "I don't have any fanconi in my line." when they get the diagnosis for their dog. Seems like giving people the questions to ask up front - is a lot better than people saying that they 'didn't know'.
In advertising - the rule of thumb has always been - in print you have to see something 11 times before it even begins to register. So while you may be on your 15th time - someone else on the list may be on the 1st.
We should have a stickie (or do we and I don't see it) that says: before you buy - tips to know that your breeder is responsible/or not.
You only have to live with one fanconis basenji to make you rabid on having dogs who are breeding, tested.
It only take this heartbreak once…and we are trying to save others from it.
People!! You need to stop stomping on my thread. Remove it!!! This was NOT a thread for FANCONI or ANY OTHER ISSUES! It was a posting to SHOW OFF MY DOG!!! If you want to rant and rave find a different thread. GOD! All you people want to do is sit and point your flippin' fingers.
If you don't like what people are posting then just don't read it and stop responding to it. Sometimes threads take a turn and the more someone responds the more it will continue in that direction. This is a discussion forum and just like any discussion they occasionally take detours from their original topic.
Relax, ignore what you don't want to read and it will eventually flow back to orginal topic or it will fade as a topic of discussion altogether.
If you don't like what people are posting then just don't read it and stop responding to it. Sometimes threads take a turn and the more someone responds the more it will continue in that direction. This is a discussion forum and just like any discussion they occasionally take detours from their original topic.
Relax, ignore what you don't want to read and it will eventually flow back to orginal topic or it will fade as a topic of discussion altogether.
Thanks Lisa. Again, I am truly sorry about earlier.
Debi, are you ok?
You seem to be very reactive to what is going on in this thread…
Not a slam, just a question.
We really are all here to help each other.
Debi, are you ok?
You seem to be very reactive to what is going on in this thread…
Not a slam, just a question.
We really are all here to help each other.
Geez Sharon, I think I'm okay. I posted on Show Off Your Dog and got a slathering of info that I really didn't need. I realize that this info wasn't for me. But gosh, let me have my day. It's just that does everybody that posts a pic of their Beloved B get this kind of response? I mean, really, fourth post was hoping that Mya's parents were tested for Fanconi. Now, doesn't that seem odd to you? Put a scare into someone that just wanted to show off their dog? Mya's parents were tested. Do I have to scream it to the Basenji Forums so that people (same person mind you) stop "hoping that her parents were tested". I mean, c'mon, I just wanted to share a picture of Mya. I realize what a horrible thing Fanconi is. I'm not trying to demean it - but I was just posting a picture. Then with the dew claws…..Mya's breeders are respectable breeders. Both the dam and the sire are racers. They are not show dogs. I understand why some people would react to the pup still having dew claws but geesh do they have to judge the responsibility of anyone? Some people should just show some respect for others' choices. My belief is not to amputate unless truly necessary. My belief is to make sure that my dogs have regular visits to the vet. Nobody really cares about that though. They're just pushing that they're the best breeders and nobody else that breeds B's gives a damn. That's just not true. I realize that there are bad breeders out there. I realize the importance of stopping the puppy mills. But, by God I made a choice and I'm very happy with that choice.
Uggghhh.....so yes, Sharon, I'm okay for now. I've said my peace.
Momofmya She's a Cutie 
I love when they lay down like that they look like there saying " uhh huh I am royalty now where's my Loving" ??? LOL When are u getting the New puppy ?? augh i miss puppy breath 
But not the puppy stage training ect lol
Momofmya She's a Cutie
The litter is due in about 7 days. I can barely contain myself. As for the training, I'll stay home for the first week with the pup and my DH will stay home for the second week. So that's two full weeks with undivided attention for him. Sigh….I wish I were a dog.
The litter is due in about 7 days. I can barely contain myself. As for the training, I'll stay home for the first week with the pup and my DH will stay home for the second week. So that's two full weeks with undivided attention for him. Sigh….I wish I were a dog.
That's great news MomOfMya ! That way we can exchange info and pictures and tales … Me too I'm waiting impatiently for the hamster to arrive (we made a reservation for a puppy in March ...)
BTW I have more luck 
... I'm retired since the 1st of September ;).
Greetings from Belgium:)
Geez Sharon, I think I'm okay. I posted on Show Off Your Dog and got a slathering of info that I really didn't need. I realize that this info wasn't for me. But gosh, let me have my day. It's just that does everybody that posts a pic of their Beloved B get this kind of response? I mean, really, fourth post was hoping that Mya's parents were tested for Fanconi. Now, doesn't that seem odd to you? Put a scare into someone that just wanted to show off their dog? Mya's parents were tested. Do I have to scream it to the Basenji Forums so that people (same person mind you) stop "hoping that her parents were tested". I mean, c'mon, I just wanted to share a picture of Mya. I realize what a horrible thing Fanconi is. I'm not trying to demean it - but I was just posting a picture. Then with the dew claws…..Mya's breeders are respectable breeders. Both the dam and the sire are racers. They are not show dogs. I understand why some people would react to the pup still having dew claws but geesh do they have to judge the responsibility of anyone? Some people should just show some respect for others' choices. My belief is not to amputate unless truly necessary. My belief is to make sure that my dogs have regular visits to the vet. Nobody really cares about that though. They're just pushing that they're the best breeders and nobody else that breeds B's gives a damn. That's just not true. I realize that there are bad breeders out there. I realize the importance of stopping the puppy mills. But, by God I made a choice and I'm very happy with that choice.
Uggghhh.....so yes, Sharon, I'm okay for now. I've said my peace.
I guess I thought the fanconi questions were in response to your new addition. But since the new addition came from the same breeder ….And if the breeder does not test you could potentially have 2 fanconi dogs. That is how I took it. I think it just kind of escalated and got out of control from there--on everyones part.
MomOfMya, the picture is adorable. Thank you for sharing.
Good luck with a new pup:). After my Katie, I think I've sworn off Basenji puppies for the rest of my life:D. To rip off a song line from 'Theory of a Deadman', Katie was a "bad, bad, girl(friend)". I'm too old now for those Basenji puppy antics!!
Keep us posted on the status of a possible new family member.
Dawn
To the original post – I think Mya is beautiful.
Keep us posted on the puppy when it arrives (and don't worry if the thread goes in directions you didn't intend - threads have a way of unraveling).
Mya is lovely! I can't wait to see pictures of your new puppy.
RE dew claws both my dogs including the B have them. I have not found this to be problematic. and my dogs are very active. My sisters dog, had two sets of dew claws and one of them was very loose and poorly attached, so we had the extra set removed when he was nuetered. He still retains one set and has never had problems with them. I know that dogs can have dewclaw problems, but most dog owners I know have dogs with intact dc and their dogs don't have problems. I guess to me it seems like removing the appendix on a baby because it can cause people problems potentially. Now I'm not going to say that breeders should not have dewclaws removed its pretty common practice. But to me it's not a mark of irrisponsibility to leave them on. To me a breeder who health tests, only breeds dogs of sound temperment, takes back their dogs at any time, and sells puppies with spay/nueter contracts is responsible. I did read that in the B standard about dewclaws and I remmember being suprised….The reason of a standard is to describe the perfect example of a functional specimen of a breed. The features set out in the standard that set the breed apart dictate...in theory...define its ability to do what it was bred to do. Basenjis in Africa don't have dewclaws removed and they function just fine...so how can it be incorrect then to have them? I believe someone also reminded me though the other day that there are no disqualifications in the basenji standard.For that matter how can anyone who overlooks umbilical hernias as no big deal, make such a fuss about something a dog is suppossed to have? I am probably treading into dangerous territatory here...I am not trying to insult anyones breeding practices...I am not a breeder. I am just trying to understand where everyone is coming from on this. Clearly I don't understand some things that seem to constitute responsible and irrisponsibe breeding. I don't expect anyone to answer...poor Mya's Mom's thread has been hijacked enough. I wish that someone would be able to send me a private message regarding it but since that is not possible ...I guess my question should just be considered retorical. additional I know nothing about Kiora's breeders, but I do know that she has her dewclaws and she is clear for Fanconi.(She is in the OFA database if anyone cares to look.) One of those facts is very important to me, and the other one, isn't.
I didn't ask about dew claws. I didn't say anyone was "picking" on my breeders. You're putting words into my mouth. I said that I simply put a picture of Mya up on the site - not to start a drama club - but to show her off a bit. I also said that I didn't put it up for opinions on dew claws, fanconi, weight issues, and thyroid problems. I didn't ask for opinions. But I sure as heck got them!!!!!
I gotta agree here! I think the pic of Mya is lovely. And it doesn't appear that she is overweight (not that you asked!) but some Bs just have a little stockier appearance than others.
Unless someone specifically asks for their dog to be critiqued, it usually hurts peoples' feelings when someone offers their unsolicited opinion. Imagine if someone commented on a human child being overweight when the parent sent out Christmas cards….not nice.
Mya is lovely! I can't wait to see pictures of your new puppy.
RE dew claws both my dogs including the B have them. I have not found this to be problematic. and my dogs are very active. My sisters dog, had two sets of dew claws and one of them was very loose and poorly attached, so we had the extra set removed when he was nuetered. He still retains one set and has never had problems with them. I know that dogs can have dewclaw problems, but most dog owners I know have dogs with intact dc and their dogs don't have problems. I guess to me it seems like removing the appendix on a baby because it can cause people problems potentially. Now I'm not going to say that breeders should not have dewclaws removed its pretty common practice. But to me it's not a mark of irrisponsibility to leave them on. To me a breeder who health tests, only breeds dogs of sound temperment, takes back their dogs at any time, and sells puppies with spay/nueter contracts is responsible. I did read that in the B standard about dewclaws and I remmember being suprised….The reason of a standard is to describe the perfect example of a functional specimen of a breed. The features set out in the standard that set the breed apart dictate...in theory...define its ability to do what it was bred to do. Basenjis in Africa don't have dewclaws removed and they function just fine...so how can it be incorrect then to have them? I believe someone also reminded me though the other day that there are no disqualifications in the basenji standard.For that matter how can anyone who overlooks umbilical hernias as no big deal, make such a fuss about something a dog is suppossed to have? I am probably treading into dangerous territatory here...I am not trying to insult anyones breeding practices...I am not a breeder. I am just trying to understand where everyone is coming from on this. Clearly I don't understand some things that seem to constitute responsible and irrisponsibe breeding. I don't expect anyone to answer...poor Mya's Mom's thread has been hijacked enough. I wish that someone would be able to send me a private message regarding it but since that is not possible ...I guess my question should just be considered retorical. additional I know nothing about Kiora's breeders, but I do know that she has her dewclaws and she is clear for Fanconi.(She is in the OFA database if anyone cares to look.) One of those facts is very important to me, and the other one, isn't.
Responded in dew claws thread…
Thanks to everyone with their kind comments on my pup-pup. I truly believe she is the most wonderful dog I've had in my 40 years of ownership. Thanks to everyone that has given good criticism as well. It is very difficult to find a breeder that actually cares about their dogs here in Missouri. All constructive information is welcome. It's hard to swallow harsh comments (even when not directed toward me) on a forum. I am very proud of my Mya and am very proud of her breeder as well. This all got out of hand because we all care!!! That's why we're here. We're here for each other and I think that I am guilty, as well as other, for forgetting that.
By the way….the new puppy is coming soon and his name will be Marley (another red and white).
By the way….the new puppy is coming soon and his name will be Marley (another red and white).
How exciting! Congrats on the good news
And don't forget to post pics!
