New Breeder Needs Help

[lvoss]

This sort of got buried in my last post and I want to make sure it is noticed by anyone who may come along this thread because they think they may want to breed.

When I got my first basenji, long before I ever even thought about breeding, I was told that anyone who was even thinking that they may want to breed should first put in hours as a rescue volunteer. There are many things that rescue needs help with such as home visits, dog evaluations, transport, and of course fosters. I think that this is sound advice and the breeders that I know and consider responsible have all put in hours volunteering for rescue. Anyone who is going to bring a puppy into this world needs to have an understanding of the current pet overpopulation problem and why dogs are ending up homeless. There are many people who do not understand the numbers of purebred dogs that end up in shelters and rescue. I am sure that Sharron is better able to provide current numbers for BRAT. If you don't know why dogs end up in rescue then you can not do anything to prevent your puppies from becoming one of them. Even the most responsible breeder, if they have been doing it long enough will have pups returned because life happens and sometimes even the best of homes becomes completely overwhelmed by their situation. But the responsible breeder is that pup's safety net no matter what age. There are way too many dogs of all breeds that have no safety net and I think that getting out there and seeing how those dogs ended up where they did is a really important part of the research and education process for anyone thinking about breeding.

[sharronhurlbut]

You might not believe this, but we are trying to give you good information.
Breeding dogs is something that good breeders take very seriously.
They do their homework.
They show their dogs and they have quality puppys with the best health possible.
I seldom see these dogs in rescue, and when I do, these breeds do what it take to get them back into the home they were born into.
I do see a lot of puppies/dogs from folks who think they can make money selling dogs.
They don't the health testing and the homework to find the right sire/dam to create quality puppies.
They just put 2 dogs together and sell the pups.
I am hopeful your wanting to become one of the quality folks.
We have many show breeders here to would help you learn to do this breeding right…and you will be welcomed to share and learn and tell us how its going.
If your not going to do your homework, just going to do it, find 2 dogs and breed puppies, please think again.
I have done rescue too long to be anything but sad and upset if someone who is smart and can do better, doesn't...

[ComicDom1]

@sharronhurlbut:

You might not believe this, but we are trying to give you good information.
Breeding dogs is something that good breeders take very seriously.
They do their homework.
They show their dogs and they have quality puppys with the best health possible.
I seldom see these dogs in rescue, and when I do, these breeds do what it take to get them back into the home they were born into.
I do see a lot of puppies/dogs from folks who think they can make money selling dogs.
They don't the health testing and the homework to find the right sire/dam to create quality puppies.
They just put 2 dogs together and sell the pups.
I am hopeful your wanting to become one of the quality folks.
We have many show breeders here to would help you learn to do this breeding right…and you will be welcomed to share and learn and tell us how its going.
If your not going to do your homework, just going to do it, find 2 dogs and breed puppies, please think again.
I have done rescue too long to be anything but sad and upset if someone who is smart and can do better, doesn't...

Sharron, lets not forget those irresponsible people that are breeding (Mutts) (cough) designer dogs. It makes me shutter to think that one day I might wake up and discover some one is selling Basenjipoo's, all because they just wanted to either see what would happen, or wanted a basenji with curly hair.

Jason

[sharronhurlbut]

Oh, my heavens…my worst nightmare!
I so hope the public can become informed the these mutts with good pr...
shudder...

[ComicDom1]

@sharronhurlbut:

Oh, my heavens…my worst nightmare!
I so hope the public can become informed the these mutts with good pr...
shudder...

Why Sharron, I would think you would be first in line for a Basenjidoodle:eek:

Jason

[sharronhurlbut]

You are a bad young man! laugh..get to work..its mon and you shouldn't be bothering an old broad like me…grin.

[Eli_and_Me]

Hmmm….a curly tail with a little poof ball at the end?

[sharronhurlbut]

A tall curley coated dog that screams, barks and needs constant grooming, and doesn't mind…

You all are very, very bad!
laugh...

[snorky998]

I'm laughing my butt off.

I wish someone here could photoshop a basenji with a lion cut. Also, I want to be present when anyone has the nerve to pluck the ears:eek:

[BasenjiDiva]

And has a large repertoire of tricks and stunts…...but refuses to demonstrate any of them.

Pat

[sharronhurlbut]

Unless toilet paper in involved…

Laugh..you guys are crazy...I love you all

[BasenjiDiva]

@sharronhurlbut:

Laugh..you guys are crazy…

Isn't that one of the criteria for basenji ownership?

Pat

[dmcarty]

Here are a couple of links that will give you some information that many have already said - read this and think about what you are planning and if it fits this criteria. I will also suggest that you think about timing - right now people are giving up their dogs because they cannot afford to keep them or have lost their homes - shelters are full. From a purely ecconomic and marketing standpoint - you may not find homes for them so be prepared to keep 4 - 6 puppies forever cause once they are past the cute puppy stage - they are harder to place.

http://www.akc.org/breeders/resp_breeding/index.cfm

http://www.dogplay.com/Breeding/ethics.html

You would want to make sure that the male and female you are using have had the following done:

FANCONI test - you would want both of them to be clear.

EYES - clear for PRA and PPM too - no history of cateracts or Glacoma.

Thyroid - you will want to make sure you know the results of this so you can plan breeding to non-thyroid affected dogs if possible.

You will need to have at least $3,000 set aside to cover and emergency c-section - or have at least that much on your credit card. Should your bitch be in crisis - the first thing Emergency Vets do is check your credit.

You will want to research pedigrees so you have a better handle on what lines might not go well together temperament wise.

Do you know enough about their behavior and training to be a resource for the people who would buy your puppies? If not - you are not doing the breed a favor.

Puppies need dew claws removed at 2-3 days of age and at least 2 -3 sets of shots prior to being able to go to new homes. The litter will have to be registered with the AKC so that you have puppy papers in time to go with new owners.

Legal nuts and bolts: Make sure that you are able to financially comply with the provisions of your states Puppy Lemon Law. You will need a business ID number and will need to keep track of revenue and expendetures. (be prepared for audits cause IRS loves to audit kennels)

The largest problem that you will have is; I don't know a single breeder who does all of the above who will sell you a dog or a bitch for your stated purposes. If you are going to show and be involved in the breed and want to learn from someone - you may find someone willing to work with you but not to churn out puppies that will end up in shelters of puppy mills and we will have to rescue.

So you decide - if you want to really be involved in the breed - happy to work with you. If you are going to only breed - not with my dogs.

re: making money you bet I've made money - I figure about $250 profit breeding intermitentely for 25 years. I suppose if you add in the 7 years of care for one of my oldies that someone just got tired of - that would probably be gone. Then there are the rescues that I've taken in and provided care and food for - so maybe I haven't made any money at it.

[Andrew]

I have to say, I'm glad this thread was posted. I'm THINKING about MAYBE in the not so near future (atleast 3-4 years from now) looking into breeding basenjis. I've been trying to absorb and learn as much as possible about the breed itself before I even think about researching breeding. I was also going to see if I could "apprentice" myself to a local breeder & I've signed up as a BRAT volunteer. So even if this person didn't get the response they were looking for, this is EXACTLY the starting point I wanted…. I was going to wait 6 months to a year before I started a thread about it, but I guess there's no time like the present to learn. So all of you who posted with advise & links & info, I appreciate it, even if the starter of this thread doesn't.

[mauigirl]

Hey Carrie,

I'll go to dog shows with you!
I'm definitely interested in learning more about conformation, just for fun.

[roxygirl]

I wouldn't try to comment on breeding protocol, but I sure didn't like your comment about getting 2 litters out of her and then placing her in a permanent home. Shouldn't your dog be your pet first?

[serenjane]

@roxygirl:

I wouldn't try to comment on breeding protocol, but I sure didn't like your comment about getting 2 litters out of her and then placing her in a permanent home. Shouldn't your dog be your pet first?

My friend, and fellow Basenji owner, I believe you have directed your remarks to the wrong person. I only have 1 B, and am not a breeder. My B is a pet only. I never had or have any intentions on breeding.

[JazzysMom]

@serenjane:

My friend, and fellow Basenji owner, I believe you have directed your remarks to the wrong person. I only have 1 B, and am not a breeder. My B is a pet only. I never had or have any intentions on breeding.

I believe Roxygirl's comments were directed at Lili, the original poster on this thread who said that she hoped to find a male and female, get two litters out of the female, then spay and find her a permanent home.

Not sure why you felt it was directed at you, as your post is a good bit farther up the thread!

[serenjane]

Thanks for clarifying JazzysMom. I had received the reply in an email to SerenJane and thought it was directed to me. My apologies if I have offended.

[sharronhurlbut]

We all start somewhere when it comes to b's.
Anyone who wants to learn what quality breeders do to have quality dogs would be welcome with open arms..
The discussion on making $$ and dumping the breeding bitch was so offensive to me..I just couldn't believe that this was this persons major concern…
I think this forum is helpful to those who care about the dogs and want to learn.
I learn something everyday from this group.
I only hope this person, who posted this tread can't find dogs to use in the manner they wrote about...
Time will tell.