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    Hi,

    My Basenji is now a year old. His sire is Rambo Boy Sheu and Dam is Roxy III

    Flew him to Ottawa from Texas.

    He's adorable, lovable and stubborn. Has a mind of his own, but he's so darn cute it's hard to stay mad at him.

    We have him in boarding school right now hoping this will help us with his training. May not work, but I'll keep you posted. I preferred getting help in training rather than finding him a new home.

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    What problems are you having with him? What kind or type of training boarding school did you send him to?

    Has your dog been tested for Fanconi Syndrome, a genetic kidney disease? If your dog was born on Sept. 2, 2009, I highly suggest you get the DNA Fanconi Linkage Test done as a littermate to your dog did test as a carrier and the parents have not been tested. It is a simple cheek swab test. The test has been available since 2007 and all breeders should have both the parents and the pups tested. Reputable breeders are doing this!

    The test is $65.00 and can be ordered online at:

    http://www.offa.org/dnatesting/fanconi.html

    If you are not familiar with Fanconi Syndrome or other health related problems in Basenjis, please go to:

    http://www.basenji.org/PUBLIC/BasenjiHealthPages.pdf

    Jennifer

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    He was born Feb. 20, 2010. He has not been tested.

    We have the usual behaviour problems. He is very stubborn and only listens when he feels like it. He eats and chews everything in site. I'll tell him to stop and he'll look at me to see if he has time to continue if not, he will stop until I turn around and he does it again. I always have to watch him and if I can't, I have to put him in the crate. We do exercise him, walk him and play with him. He loves to cuddle.

    He's been with the trainer for over two weeks and they are having a hard time with him because he is so stubborn. Just the down stay command is difficult with him. I'm also having him trained to run on the treadmill for days when it's too cold or slippery to go outside.

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    @lilkcolbela:

    He was born Feb. 20, 2010. He has not been tested.

    We have the usual behaviour problems. He is very stubborn and only listens when he feels like it. He eats and chews everything in site. I'll tell him to stop and he'll look at me to see if he has time to continue if not, he will stop until I turn around and he does it again. I always have to watch him and if I can't, I have to put him in the crate. We do exercise him, walk him and play with him. He loves to cuddle.

    He's been with the trainer for over two weeks and they are having a hard time with him because he is so stubborn. Just the down stay command is difficult with him. I'm also having him trained to run on the treadmill for days when it's too cold or slippery to go outside.

    He sounds like a typical basenji…lol.. :D

    You stated he's been with the trainer, are you there as well or is it just him? Many times us humans need training too..:)

    As far as training, they respond much better to positive treat motivating training than negative....

    When you are not there is he crated? Many basenjis have to be crated or else the destruction is fair game...mine does ok being loose, but he has three play buddies that keeps him somewhat out of trouble.

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  • You should have him tested for your own peace of mind, remembering that it is a linkage test, but will give you an clue if you need to really be concerned about Fanconi.

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    @Basenjimamma:

    He sounds like a typical basenji…lol.. :D

    You stated he's been with the trainer, are you there as well or is it just him? Many times us humans need training too..:)

    As far as training, they respond much better to positive treat motivating training than negative....

    When you are not there is he crated? Many basenjis have to be crated or else the destruction is fair game...mine does ok being loose, but he has three play buddies that keeps him somewhat out of trouble.

    We tried having a trainer come to our house but it didn't work out. I think part of it was we didn't like the trainer. Now Copper is doing some boarding school training, then they will bring him back to us and spend time with us training us to keep up his training. This way he gets trained properly by professionals, and they we get trained and hopefully keep it up. They give you a certificate as a certified trainer for your dog if you pass. So hopefully this will work.

    I will call my vet and see about getting Copper tested just for peace of mind. My friend has his brother, and I'll suggest the same for him.

    Thanks everyone.

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    I forgot to mention that he is crated when I'm gone to work. he likes his crate. When we first brought him home, he went in it right away on his own. He has to be crated for his safety as well as protecting my furniture. One time I thought I would leave him in the Kitchen, more space than a crate. I have gates to keep him secluded in the kitchen or out of the kitchen. I thought I had Copper proofed the kitchen. I came home to find a small piece of fridge magnet on the floor. He had eaten the magnet. I took him to the vet. It took a couple of days for it to all come out of him. I had a metal crate with towels around the crate to make it cozy. He ate the towels. I would come home and he had pulled the towels in his crate and ate them. Huge pieces were missing. So then he had no more towels or bedding as he would eat that too. So, he started eating the crate floor. He would then vomit that. It's not like he didn't have toys to play with in his crate. Now I have a plastic crate and will try that when he gets home. The trainer says he is doing well in it.

    He's smart. When I'm home, he pretends he is chewing one of his toys, but all along he is eating the floor. I don't get it. I constantly have to watch him. A room with just floors and walls would not be safe with him. He is also a puller when we walk. I hope the training helps.

    I know a tired dog is a happy dog. So we will make an effort to go for longer walks, play more with him and even do the treadmill. Hopefully this will help.

    He's cute and we love him. Unfortunately, the time we enjoy him most is when he is cuddling with us and is sleeping as this is the only time we can relax.

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    I'll try and find better pictures. His eyes are actually black.
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  • No offense intended, but this has red flags all over. He sounds like a totally typical Basenji. The fact that your trainer is having problems because the dog is "stubborn" sounds like he is using training techniques that are largely unsuccessful with dogs like Basenjis. I think if you were to pursue more appropriate training techniques with this dog, your results would be much more satisfying. My guess is that you will get your dog back with more behavior issues than he left with, and they will be more serious, and harder to deal with. I hope I am wrong, but please keep us updated when he comes home.

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  • @lilkcolbela:

    I will call my vet and see about getting Copper tested just for peace of mind. My friend has his brother, and I'll suggest the same for him.

    Your vet doesn't do the DNA Fanconi test, you do. You just order the kit for $65, get a saliva sample on the test paper, and mail it back. You may also want to contact the breeder of your dog and explain what Fanconi is and how to test for it. They need to get the parents tested asap.

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  • I agree with Andrea about his training and "trainer"….. Sounds to me like a normal Basenji.... and hopefully you will not have even worse problems when he is returned to you.

    Robyn is also right... your Vet doesn't do a Fanconi DNA test, you order the kit. Please read up on Basenji health concerns at www.basenji.org

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  • Any time I hear someone send a dog off for training, I get concerned. Dogs are not the ones who need training, the owners are. The problem is not the dog. The problem is the owner needs to learn to train. Boarding trainers are scams who make my blood boil almost as much as charlatans like John Edwards. Almost without exception, if you can't learn to train your pet, you don't need to own it. If you are not willing to put the effort into learning how, you don't need it. And trainers worth their salt know that, yet prey on people instead of being honest. Please, get your dog home and get some help.

    The S in basenji stands for stubborn. HELLO. No trainer will stop that. You train around it. Unless you put a shock collar on the dog and zapped it into a seizure, few basenjis give up being stubborn. It is part of their charm. :) You learn to train smart so they think what you want them to do is a good idea. Please, bring your dog home. You have no idea what damage they are doing to him.

    TRAINING isn't about tricks or performance. It is about building a relationship. YOUR relationship with YOUR dog. The problems you describe are, I am sorry to say, typical. Really. If I tell Arwen to get off the kitchen table once in a week, I tell her 5 or 6 times. Yes, I could booby trap it so she gets scared, but really… is that want I want? Especially since, being a basenji, she'll simply find another place I don't want her to go. A big part of the UNappeal of the breed is the need to watch the little sucker actively. Many here have dogs they can leave uncrated or unwatched. Most of us, not so much. We had a lovely foster here who didn't even bother TRASH with kleenex in it. My daughter begged to keep him! But most, you just learn to be better house keepers.

    If basic normal basenji behaviors are not what you want to live with, or are willing to live with in order to have one... you might want to consider contacting the breeder about rehoming him and find a dog more suited to your needs. But if you do want to keep him, you are going to have to meet his normal behaviors about 80 percent of the way, because that's just what they are.

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  • I agree with a lot of Debra's post…but I do want to clarify that not ALL board and train, or train w/o owner programs are bogus. Lots of people don't WANT to learn to train a dog well; or they have more money than time; or whatever, but they do want a well-trained dog; and that is fine. Board and train is more successful for the basic behaviors, than it is for problem behaviors. And a good trainer will end up training the owners before handing over the dog. It is admittedly difficult to train a human with very little training aptitude, and a dog that has several bad habits at the same time.

    The problem I see in training w/o owner with dogs like Basenjis is that they are smart enough to know whom they need listen to, and whom they don't...so if the owners aren't actively involved in the training, chances are the Basenji won't bother to listen; and if force is used, they will be intimidated by those who did the training, but not necessarily by the owner when they return; AND for most of the problems the OP described the training really needs to be done IN the situation in which it is occuring. That is, I could teach your dog not to counter-surf at my house, but he would go right back to it at your house, unless you did exactly the same training in the new location.

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  • LOL Andrea, how do you stop counter surfing? I just keep stuff off but I bought one of those mousetrap things (NO it doesn't hurt the dog, it makes loud noise). Cara learned in about a nanosecond to hit the trashcan so it popped, then went for the trash. I have used double sided sticky tape on counters and stopped it before but I just gave up with Sayblee since sticky or not, she checked… stood up like a freaking meercat to see if anything was up there.

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  • @Quercus:

    I agree with a lot of Debra's post…but I do want to clarify that not ALL board and train, or train w/o owner programs are bogus.

    I guess my point wasn't that they can't train the dog for you, and if you work with them make it through. Some can depending on the issues.

    My point was training is about building a relationship as much if not far more than what is taught. Good trainers know that. So to me, most of what they do is wrong… they charge a fortune to make money instead of educating owners and helping train or consider if they really want to BE dog owners.

    So lets say you want to show your dog... do you have to learn to do it or get a handler? Your choice. :) My objections are daily living issues and my gut feeling if you aren't willing to work to learn to train the dog, do you really need a dog?

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    I'm sorry but Ihave to agree with the previous posters - no.1, Your Basenjis is behaving just like a Basenji. 2. In the main I agree that sending a Basenji away to trainers is not a good idea - yes, the trainer may succeed in teaching him not to do the things you don't want him to do BUT unless you train him as well he'll come back to you and carry on his normal Basenji behaviour. That's why it's essential to work with any other person who is training. Personally I'm not in agreement that 'training' is suitable for a Basenji. I've always found that they need to want to please you out of respect. To you a behaviour may seem bad but to the Basenji it's just being normal. And what works for one Basenji doesn't always work for another either. Positive training is always the most successful too.

    Andrea, I too was in admiration that you've 'persuaded' yours not to jump on the table! Most of mine don't, but Bungwa, now 7 years old still persists despite me trying every way I can think of to dissuade him!!

    "Why stay on the floor", he asks me, "there's bound to be much more I can see from up here and besides tere's this little patch of sunlight, just right here".

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    I am not sure how much research you did on the breed before purchasing your pup but your boy sounds like a typical Basenji. Many Bs get turned into rescue because owners think that once a dog is over one year old, it should no longer have puppy traits and it should be obedient and not get into things.

    I have four Bs, ages 4-12, and today since the weather was nice I had the back door open so the dogs could come and go as they please. I was doing some yard work. The sheet that was covering a chair was taken outside by probably the 4 year old and was being chewed by the 12 year old who is Fanconi affected. Later a large thick crate pad that was being used as a bed on the floor was also pulled outside. I am not sure how they got it outside as the door was not open very wide. The 4 and 10 year old were near it and when I got the 4 year old away from it, the 10 year old decided to lay on it. I guess he wanted the bed outside! The 12 year old will attack this crate pad and grab it in her mouth and shake it. She does this several times a week. Earlier in the morning the 8 year old who I thought was chewing on a Nylabone was actually shredding and chewing some paper which was stacked near the Nylabone. Basenjis are sneeky like that-pretend they are doing one thing but actually doing another! Just another day with my Basenjis!

    Hopefully, the trainers know about Basenjis and hounds and if not, will read up on them. There are several websites that describe Basenji characteristics and show what destruction Basenjis can do!

    Jennifer

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  • @DebraDownSouth:

    LOL Andrea, how do you stop counter surfing? I just keep stuff off but I bought one of those mousetrap things (NO it doesn't hurt the dog, it makes loud noise). Cara learned in about a nanosecond to hit the trashcan so it popped, then went for the trash. I have used double sided sticky tape on counters and stopped it before but I just gave up with Sayblee since sticky or not, she checked… stood up like a freaking meercat to see if anything was up there.

    Ha! Did I say my dogs don't counter surf?? No, I said I could train someone else's not to ;) Seriously, it is really hard with a dog that is persistant…and we all know Basenjis are persistant. In reality, the only way to stop counter surfing is for it not to pay off for the dog. So everytime the dog gets something, the likelihood of it trying again is increased. So everyone in the house has to be completely vigilant about NOT leaving stuff around. And even then the Basenji will generally check, and you can control that with a 'leave-it' if you are within earshot. Our only TERRIBLE counter surfer is Ivy...she is completely committed, and nothing will change her mind. The others are only mildly interested, unless they can smell that there is indeed food up there, then are harder to disuade. Our dogs used to have much better table manners, but having toddlers really changed that because they are like slot machines that pay out ALL the time! Of course the dogs are addicted!

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    ^ suki has never gotten a thing from the counter, and she is still a truly dedicated counter surfer - kitchen and bathroom counters. there is simply no dissuading her.

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    IMO, this boy is screaming to exercise. How much exercise does he get?
    Also, I don't think you have found the right person to help you with this basenji.
    You need a basenji smart trainer. Otherwise, the behavior can get worse.
    I am sorry this isnt' more positive.

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  • @tlish:

    ^ suki has never gotten a thing from the counter, and she is still a truly dedicated counter surfer - kitchen and bathroom counters. there is simply no dissuading her.

    Hope springs eternal ;)

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