I agree with Lisa… while your list can be helpful, puppymillers have learned to look very reputable making it much harder to look at the website to determine. The bottom line is, no matter if they sell one breed or more, they can be a puppymill. And there are certainly some very legit responsible breeders with 2 or even 4 breeds! My entry into dog breeding/showing was a woman who had English bulldogs, her daughter had aghans and setters. If they don't have pedigrees and health testing info on the web page, I'd run. If they have it and you check OFA and find they falsified, or only maybe the current or some of their dogs have testing.. run. The rest they can fake or pretend but generations of health clearances generally aren't part of a puppymill.
Does this breeder sound reputable?
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Definitely sounds like a backyard breeder.
Make sure to do your homework on the BC pup, if that is the direction you are going. You'll want a dog that is a good addition to your family - one that will blend in with your lifestyle and activity level. In the future, I might consider a rescue also (Sharron, are you reading this?), but the basenji will have to still have the personality, qualities and health that feel right for us.
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I would also hesitate to buy a puppy from someone who just had an "oops" mating of two dogs. A lot goes into breeding quality puppies, and it is usually a very well planned out situation.
Sorry Fran, but I disagree with this statement.
Even accidents happen to the best of breeders.
Just because it is an "oops" does not mean it wouldn't be a decent breeding or produce fabulous companions.
What is important is the temperaments of the sire/dam and those in their pedigree, as well as the health testing involved throughout the pedigree.Brianne-
I would bet that there is little to none if they have many other breeds.
I haven't ever heard of someone up there either, so can't imagine who it would be.Best of luck finding your forever companion!
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Smart of you to do your homework before you buy a b.
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Would you care to share the dam's name if you know it? I also don't know of anyone who sold a B in the Yukon. It's not on our radar.
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Please please please consider contacting BRAT about adopting. So many need homes.
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Please please please consider contacting BRAT about adopting. So many need homes.
Basenjis from breeders also need homes.
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Basenjis from breeders also need homes.
And there are benefits from the health perspective to temperment of the dog that you know about.
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Sorry Fran, but I disagree with this statement.
Kathy, you are right. I stand corrected. Thanks for making me clarify, because I did not explain myself well enough. It was more in the context of a BYB producing puppies that will be ill, not sound, not live long, etc. And I do understand that even then the offspring could still be wonderful pets.
From a reputable breeder, I would have no problem in a puppy from an "oops" breeding.
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I am not knocking responsible breeders nor their dogs… you should know that already. But even when I had litters, I ALWAYS queried the prospective home to see if a rescue would do. Sorry, I just think even breeders need to push all they can to rescue. And if this person is considering a dog in that price range, then rescue is the answer... not a byb or puppymill dog. I doubt many responsible breeders can begin to place a pup for much under $2,000. Certainly not under $1,000.
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My pups are right around 1000.00, I consider much over 1000.00 over the top for a puppy…. and there are many responsible breeders particularly in the Mid West that place pups for around 850.00
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I doubt many responsible breeders can begin to place a pup for much under $2,000. Certainly not under $1,000.
I'm not trying to argue with you, Debra. I just want to clarify a few things about this topic.
In the US, virtually all responsible breeders place their puppies for $700-1,000and that range includes show prospects.
And if this person is considering a dog in that price range, then rescue is the answer… not a byb or puppymill dog.
FWIW, I did Basenji rescue for a decade and I know for a fact that at least 95% of all rescued Basenjis were produced by BYBs and puppy mills. The initial adoption fee for a rescue may be a little bit less than a responsibly bred dog but the risk for health issues may prove higher, and far more expensive, in the long run.
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The price of $1000-$1500 is usually what a petstore B is priced when it first arrives at 8 weeks at least the ones I have seen at PetLand. The price goes down as it gets older. One can finance a pup like a piece of furniture.
Jennifer
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I haven't bought a basenji in 8 years, but back then Robyn even YOU quoted me something like $1500. Glad to hear prices lower, but again if the person looking at a $300 dog, $700 to $1000 a big jump for most.
As for health … considering my utterly champion pedigree for 5 generation dog who had major health issues, autoimmune and died with lymphoma... nothing is a guarantee. I am a bit surprised to hear breeders almost discouraging rescue. Do I believe that a puppy from a breeder with generations of genetic testing has better chance for not having those genetic problems... sure. But over-all health... not really. Research doesn't support it nor does my personal experiences.
I have heard rescuers say that breeders bash rescues... I honestly have to say while I have heard it out the yingyang with both Chow and Rottie breeders, this is my first experience with it among Basenji. It makes me very sad. With that, am out of this topic and thread.
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Oh, Debra, don't leave. Some areas of the country don't have a good network with rescue. I am lucky, and in the PNW, the breeders are wonderful…
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FWIW, I did Basenji rescue for a decade and I know for a fact that at least 95% of all rescued Basenjis were produced by BYBs and puppy mills. The initial adoption fee for a rescue may be a little bit less than a responsibly bred dog but the risk for health issues may prove higher, and far more expensive, in the long run.
Hi, Robyn,
Maybe things were different when you were doing rescue. You might be surprised to know how many rescues we get who were bred by "reputable breeders" and whose breeders, once contacted by rescue, would not take back their dogs even though a contract existed between the individual buyer and the breeder. We are dealing with several of these instances right now.
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Debbi J, I do have to take exception about your info. 95% in my area were not by byb.
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Sharon, I was quoting Robyn.
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Sorry, I knew that, just typed the wrong name..should have been Robyn.
Robyn, I do have to say Debbi J is right, as far as my knowlege goes.
Jennifer Hill, who is part of this group, can tell you just how many puppymill b are posted.
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I know that when I was actively doing rescue the majority of rescues came from either BYBs (breeders not actively involved in the basenji community) or puppy mills. A few came from breeders known in the basenji community and only a handful of those outright refused to take responsibility. I don't know what the percentages were because I never calculated them.
I don't think that Robyn meant to imply that there are not well known breeders who are not taking responsibility but that in her experience those are not where most of the dogs are coming from. At this point in time, most of the rescues I am seeing are coming from internet sales by BYBs.
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<< if the person looking at a $300 dog, $700 to $1000 a big jump for most. >>
If a person can't afford $300, then they shouldn't be getting any dog IMO. Just a vet check right after that is at least 40-50 bucks. Wasn't someone just talking about this earlier in this post? You don't want to put more money into the dog, but you're going to get another one? Doesn't this happen a lot to the people that put dogs in rescue? They conveniently get rid of a dog because of vet costs or lifestyle changes then turn around within (usually) a year and get another dog?
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I have heard this bashing from rescuers as well. Most rescuers who don't have experience with reputable breeders do this as well. The facts are the facts-there are bad people on both sides of this particular coin, just as there are good people.
When did this conversation turn into 'rescuers vs breeders' ?? Aren't we supposed to be about the same thing? Getting dogs into the right homes??_
