@elbrant - Better place to see what a Basenji looks like is on the BCOA site, www.basenji.org and go to https://basenji.org/index.php/shop/books-cd-s-illustrated-standard/illustrated-standard. You can review on line
Soon to be Basenji Owner
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I would recommend telling them about the test and see if they are willing to test prior to the puppy going home so that you know the status before he come home. Also, they should pay for the testing, they already have a deposit from you.
I would also recommend contacting some of the BCOA in your area and talking to them and see how they compare to the breeder you have a deposit with. It may be less expensive in the long run to lose the deposit and get a puppy from a breeder that is doing the health testing.
You can check if a breeder is doing health testing by using the advanced search option on the OFA and searching for their kennel name in any part of the name. Most are at the front of the name but the Avongara dogs have the kennel names at the end and Avongara at front.
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I definitely think losing the deposit is worth it. There is also that other angle: knowing that this breeder would not spend $130 to have the parents tested, when this amount will undoubtedly be recooped with the sale of ONE puppy, are those breeding practices you want to support?
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Here's the questions I have. Who are the parents/grandparents. I'm suspecting that since they said they can't be tested yet they are only doing the strip testing. Is there a kennel name? I would be very careful if both sets of parents are only two. There may be a reason why you would want to breed a two year old bitch, but not both sets. Sometimes it's hard to make a decision based on what you do or in this case don't know. If you feel my questions are too nosy, don't answer.
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Also, they are really being less than honest about health if they have not done the DNA Fanconi test (before breeding)… and telling you they were too young?... So, while you gave a deposit in good faith, certainly they have not done the same. And I would tell them I want my deposit back.
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Ok, thanks for the latest info. I was definitely confused with the pee strips and the swap, some were saying 2-3 years before testing, I hadn't seen the 2 weeks. It all makes sense now.
So if you guys were in my situation (still can back out, but will lose the deposit), what would you do? Since the puppies family haven't been tested (although they say there aren't any symptoms in the family) should I not go through with getting this puppy?
I really don't know how common this disease is.
Fanconi is a horrible disease.. and one is too many. There are a few on this forum that have affected Basenjis that they are now caring for… few on here that have lost their B to Fanconi.. I am sure they will tell you that even one Fanconi effected when there is a way to be sure this disease is NOT passed on is available. Fanconi can strike as early as 2, but typically it shows up 85% of the time around 8 to 10yrs, so no surprise that they are not showing any symptoms yet.
And this also means (I am guessing here) that there have not been anyother health tests done? Hips? Elbows? Thyroid? Eye exams?The suggestion that you contact other breeders in the area is a great one.. then you can compare their practices against the breeder that you have been dealing with....
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I too will chime in here; there are several responsible breeders in the Phoenix and Tucson areas. There really is no reason not to test your breeding stock - the cost is not really prohibitive and is even less now that a cheek swab can be done so that shipping blood is not necessary. I also know that the Basenji Fanciers of Greater Phoenix has held at 2 or 3 blood draw clinics so that their members could have their dogs tested, so the opportunity has certainly been there for the breeder to test. You might try going to their website to find referrals to local breeders.
That said, I do want to add a little note about Fanconi. We currently have 3 affected dogs, and the cost of treatment and the protocol is NOT extremely expensive. The highest number of pills we give per day to an individual dog is 11 - 5 sodium bicarbonates twice per day and 1 vitamin. And yes, while some dogs do not respond to the protocol, the vast majority of them do, and live a normal lifestyle and life span. Nevertheless, if we can prevent this from ever happening, we absolutely owe it to our beloved breed to do so.
Terry
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No, treatment of fanconi is not terribly expensive, but it does add up. I did the math and it was costing about $500/year around here for basic maintenance. That includes the cost of meds bought in bulk for a year (at minimum doses) as well as 6 month vet/lab workups at a very reasonable country vet. The use of the blood gas machine was $100 alone because I had to do it at a hospital, but I didn't have to do it long enough to try to find cheaper alternatives. I've never looked into it really, what do you all pay for blood gases?
This of course doesn't include things like vet trips/meds for UTIs, any special food requirements, etc.
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Blood gases in Ca can run anywhere from 65.00 to 200.00 depending on where you go.. and they need to be done 2x's a yr at least
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I too will chime in here; there are several responsible breeders in the Phoenix and Tucson areas. There really is no reason not to test your breeding stock - the cost is not really prohibitive and is even less now that a cheek swab can be done so that shipping blood is not necessary. I also know that the Basenji Fanciers of Greater Phoenix has held at 2 or 3 blood draw clinics so that their members could have their dogs tested, so the opportunity has certainly been there for the breeder to test. You might try going to their website to find referrals to local breeders.
That said, I do want to add a little note about Fanconi. We currently have 3 affected dogs, and the cost of treatment and the protocol is NOT extremely expensive. The highest number of pills we give per day to an individual dog is 11 - 5 sodium bicarbonates twice per day and 1 vitamin. And yes, while some dogs do not respond to the protocol, the vast majority of them do, and live a normal lifestyle and life span. Nevertheless, if we can prevent this from ever happening, we absolutely owe it to our beloved breed to do so.
Terry
Well said Terry! Listen to the voice of experience… and what this horrible affliction can do...
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My issue is that I had a b that wouldn't take the pills with anything, so we ended up trying to put them down the dog.
Often, he would just throw them up.
Knowing they would keep him alive if the didn't take them and seeing the misery we caused him, by trying to get them into him….well, I don't want anyone to go through that! -
I have a couple of concerns here - 1 you were told the Grandparents were 'free of fanconi' and the parents were not old enough to test. Now you have seen that they are not listed on the OFFA site and others have said that the test can be done on 2 week old puppies.
The question here is that the relationship that you have with your breeder is perhaps the most important connection that you can have in your journey with basenjis - I'm reminded of that as today I opened a Christmas card from the breeder/mentor of my second basenjis CH Maikai's Here's the Beef. I met them in 1983. Kathy helped me so much in learning how to show, helping me select a stud dog - helping raise and place puppies - every dumb question I had about basenji behavior - she helped me through it.
I try to have that kind of relationship with those who have a dog from me. I always have told them that they need to make sure that they like me as well as the dog because we are a package.
That said - the breeders of your potential puppy has told you a lie. They clearly either did it on purpose - OR because they didn't know - in either case - will they be there for you to give you advice that is specific to their lines? And can you believe it?
Obviously your decision but - with that big a red flag - I know what I would do.
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Hi everyone,
I just found this forum. I have had my 2 basenji's for 3 years coming this dec 29th. They are brother/sister. We are located here in peoria, az. They are a handful especially the male who gets into everything that is not nailed down.We did all the research and new what we were getting into, that why we have 2. A tired basenji is a good banenji. We take them to the "bark park" every weekend. Its their time to meet and greet everyone.
Good luck one your pup..take lots of pictures. We have taken ours to Petsmart for the professional pictures every year. It takes about 1 hour until they get the right shot. My male is very active and moves alot.
Right now the little girl has valley fever we are trying to get her tiger count down, but next year I want to add to our family, (if the male alowes it). lol:)
