Has a complete thyroid test been done? How old is he?
Jennifer
Is my basenji from a legit breeder?
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Sorry to intrude, I normally only read, not post. When I saw the names Whine and Redwhine, I just knew I had seen them before. I'd done some searches a while back with Google for Basenji and those names came up. Like you said, they're not the run of the mill names, they stuck with me for some odd reason. I managed to dig up where I saw them, so this 'might' be of some help in finding out about the breeder.
Go to:
http://www.nopuppymills.com/forum//showthread.php?t=54562001MARRS FAMILY & FRIENDS PRODUCTION SALE & AUCTION
KAREY MARRS
4523 South 60th Rd. Bolivar, MO 65613
Phone: (417) 694-8008 or (417) 326-9662
Web Site: www.mockingbirdhillkennel.com Email: MOCKINGBIRDHILLKENNEL@YAHOO.COM
DATE OF SALE: FRIDAY, MARCH 7th, 2008This auction was in March, but the info is still there. Part way down the page is this:
Sandy Simmons
417-682-2117
Basenji 4 Females 2 Males…. and then farther down is the listing of the dogs she's selling. You'll notice the names and #s match up to your info.
Basenji
NO# Sex NAME REGISTRATION # D.O.B. MICROCHIP #
184 FE Puppy Paper B07-WZ-DG-30982E 1/11/07
Comments: APRI. Reg. Color:
185 FE Ball Of Fire B06-WY-DG-34395F 1/16/06
Comments: APRI. Reg. Color: Black / White / Tan.
186 FE Whine A05-YX-DG-38071E 12/26/04
Comments: APRI. Reg. Color: Red & White.
187 FE Ro-Dan's Debra I01-AZ-DG-31723A 11/20/00
Comments: APRI. Reg. Color: Black / White / Tan.
188 MA Puppy Paper G07-ZA-DG-30606A 12/16/06
Comments: APRI. Reg. Color:
189 MA Redwhine D06-YA-DG-30890A 7/11/05
Comments: APRI. Reg. Color: Red & White.I'll won't comment with my personal feelings about this kind of auction, nor am I promoting anything like it, it's just posted to give you some info that you might find useful.
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i'd prefer to hear what your thoughts of this 1derfool. No need to hold your tongue. I would like to find out anything you say. Hey you guys if i dont register her with the APRI can i get her registered with the AKC? Should i contact the breeder and ask if my basenji's parents have any diseases etc etc. What do you think i should do?
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Your puppy is not eligible for registration with AKC since she does not have AKC registered parents. Once she is spayed you can apply for an Indefinate Listing Privledge (ILP) if you want to participate in lure coursing, agility, or rally with her.
I would highly recommend getting the DNA Marker Test for Fanconi. You won't need to know the parents' status and will know your pup's status. As for other disorders, if you plan to course your basenji, get her hips and patellas tested so you know that she is in good condition for coursing.
From 1derfool's post the parents of your dog were sold at auction in March.
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is that bad her parents were sold at auction. she told me that she wasn't going to be breeding basenjis anymore after this last litter. I dont know what coursing means or rally etc etc. Sorry im just an owner of a dog i dont know technical terms. ALl i know is i just want her to be 100% perfect health etc etc, and want her to be tested for everything that u guys recommend for perfect growing up health
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is that bad her parents were sold at auction. she told me that she wasn't going to be breeding basenjis anymore after this last litter. I dont know what coursing means or rally etc etc. Sorry im just an owner of a dog i dont know technical terms. ALl i know is i just want her to be 100% perfect health etc etc, and want her to be tested for everything that u guys recommend for perfect growing up health
It is, In My Opinion, the worst that her parents were sold at auction. How very sad… these dogs were no more then "used for money"... and not care about in the least.
What is meant by Coursing and Rally is these are activities that you can do with your Basenji even if NOT AKC registered (which she only can be if you spay her and then apply for an ILP number, read about ILP numbers at this link http://www.akc.org/reg/ilpex.cfmAs far as the health testing of your girl, please visit www.basenji.org and first learn about the health concerns of our breed. Then you can decide on the testing.
However, certainly you would want to do a DNA Fanconi Test.
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so first, just keep the APRI registation. Dont sign up for it, keep the registration for my records for just because purposes? But do sign up for this PAL/ILP? Is this a normal registration for a dog? Not just for competing?
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APRI registation means nothing and IMO you have no idea is those are even really your girls parents, I would not waste my money.. and ILP would only be necessary if you wanted to compete. Otherwise it is really not really necessary. Since your girl came from a puppymill type person she is not able to be registered with AKC and if you want some type of "legit" registration, then you can do the ILP.
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so first, just keep the APRI registation. Dont sign up for it, keep the registration for my records for just because purposes? But do sign up for this PAL/ILP? Is this a normal registration for a dog? Not just for competing?
Unless you plan to compete in lure coursing {where they chase the "bunny" [plastic bag, LOL] around the field}, I wouldn't worry about any registration.
Just get the health testing done {esp. Fanconi, you really don't want to be hit by surprise with that one – do some research about it so you know what everyone is talking about} -- and enjoy your dog!
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How do we even know shes from a puppymill. I didnt pay very much for her. Im not disagreeing or anything isnt everything said just hearsay there arent straight facts showing shes from a puppymill
This person that you purchased from is a Puppy Mill type.. and it is usually puppy millers or those that are pretty darn close to a puppy miller that would sell their "X" breedings dogs at an auction. There is NO responsible breeder that would do that … she breeds to sell puppies and make money, period and that makes her a "pure for profit" breeder. She is not breeding for the good of the breed. Straight facts are:
1. Not AKC registered
2. No health testing (DNA for Fanconi, Hips, Eyes, Patellas, etc)
3. Shipping puppies all over the country without screening buyers
4. Doesn't require Spay/Neuter
5. Sell no long "usable" dogs at auction to the highest bidder
6. Sells at auction in-tact so yet another person can just use them as breeding dogs with no concern for the dog themselves.If you go to this link, this will so you how to find a responsible breeder http://www.tanzabasenjis.net/selectbreeder.html
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I think it's not important at this point to focus overmuch on whether or not she's from a puppymill.
What DOES matter is getting the health testing done –again,esp. Fanconi --
provide a good, responsible home and ENJOY your pet! -
I think it's not important at this point to focus overmuch on whether or not she's from a puppymill.
What DOES matter is getting the health testing done –again,esp. Fanconi --
provide a good, responsible home and ENJOY your pet!Exactly…
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say i wanted to breed her start with her as being the first generation. Couldnt i get her AKC registered if i wanted to start with her?
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say i wanted to breed her start with her as being the first generation. Couldnt i get her AKC registered if i wanted to start with her?
Nope… not possible... they must already be AKC registered before breeding.. her sire and dam are not AKC registered so there is no way to get her registered.....
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say i wanted to breed her start with her as being the first generation. Couldnt i get her AKC registered if i wanted to start with her?
Without a decent health history, why would you want to breed her?
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I'm in the same boat Meandi. We got our boy from a Pet Store. His papers reveal the breeder and his parents but I've had no luck contacting them regarding any testing that has been done on him. I'm so nervous about getting him tested.
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I'm in the same boat Meandi. We got our boy from a Pet Store. His papers reveal the breeder and his parents but I've had no luck contacting them regarding any testing that has been done on him. I'm so nervous about getting him tested.
If the parents are not listed on the OFA site, then they have not been tested at least not for Hips, patellas, DNA for Fanconi, etc.
And you know all of us were in the same boat with the DNA test for Fanconi first came out about testing… and being nervous....
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Without a decent health history, why would you want to breed her?
And you have to ask "why do you want to breed in the first place?"… just to have puppies is not a good enough reason for a responsible breeder.....
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Speaking only from my own perspective as a "pet owner" of rescued dogs:
AKC is the real, official registry used by responsible breeders, other registries are "knock-offs", invented so pet stores and puppy-mills and BYBs can sell "registered" dogs, as I understand it. The only reason you NEED to be registered is to compete in conformation, lure coursing, showing or agility to get championship points, or to start a breeding program yourself (after reaching those championship goals in some of the aforementioned activities).If your basenji is "just" your pet, love of your life, best friend and roommate, having them registered isn't really important. Shelter rescue basenjis and many others in rescue don't have papers but are purebred basenjis. Once neutered it doesn't matter as you can get the ILP certification to compete in all activities except conformation.
The really important thing that hopefully comes with the AKC responsibly bred dog is health testing and healthy parents and grandparents. You probably won't have that with the knock-off registries, but you can do it yourself for your own peace of mind, especially the Fanconi testing. There really isn't much reason to do some of the other testing, as hopefully no one would breed a dog without that deep background knowledge of genetic health and soundness along with great conformation, the things that make a dog worthy of having their genes passed along. There are so many thousands of dogs, including basenjis, euthanized every year that need homes so there is no reason for anyone to breed dogs that aren't healthy and genetically sound!
Thank goodness there are responsible breeders that supply us with healthy pets and show dogs, and if ever the shelters empty out and there are more waiting homes than there are dogs, then the good breeders can pick up the pace! But I'm afraid that for the near future, there will be enough basenjis and other breeds supplied by BYB and shelters to fill all the available homes.
So enough of my soapbox, sorry, once I get going it's hard to stop. Love your dogs, register them with AKC or neuter them and get an ILP and go for some agility or Rally, obedience, or coursing, or just take long walks with your beloved basenjis and enjoy them for the unique 'people' they are!
Anne in Tampa
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Would it be wrong to post the breeders name here to see if anyone knows anything about him?
