My vet says my puppy is too aggressive
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wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 11:06 last edited by
Hi - still not sure why neutering is “bad, bad, bad”? Understand if thats an opinion and thats cool but 100% of every dog owner i know has had their dog spayed/neutered. Seems the responsible thing to do as well?
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replied to mikesull on 21 Mar 2021, 12:26 last edited by
@mikesull Too young is bad for the dog. You need to wait at least until hormonal and structural maturity. Best to wait, if you MUST do it at all, until they are at least three years old. But best not to neuter.
It is not difficult to take care he doesn't become a Dad unexpectedly. Over here dogs remain entire and we have almost no mixes at all.
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replied to mikesull on 21 Mar 2021, 15:34 last edited by JENGOSMonkey
@mikesull said in My vet says my puppy is too aggressive:
Hi - still not sure why neutering is “bad, bad, bad”? Understand if thats an opinion and thats cool but 100% of every dog owner i know has had their dog spayed/neutered. Seems the responsible thing to do as well?
I should have been more clear. Neutering TOO early is bad bad bad... IMO. From what I've learned it leads to weird things happening in males. For instance their legs can grown unusually long. Another way to put is that their bodies need the hormones to mature normally. Remove those hormones too early and the body gets confused. I'm not saying don't ever do it. I'm saying I'll never do it early again. I'm thinking no earlier than 1.5 to 2 yo. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
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replied to JENGOSMonkey on 21 Mar 2021, 15:51 last edited by Zande
@jengosmonkey said in My vet says my puppy is too aggressive:
no earlier than 1.5 to 2 yo. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
No earlier, for sure. Best wait, if you MUST do it, until the animal is 3 at least.
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replied to Zande on 21 Mar 2021, 16:18 last edited by tanza
@zande - As we have talked about, not the same in the US, sad to say. People do not want the responsibility be it a female or male. And the more that get dogs for "whoever" the more chances that they will breed them and have puppies. And then there are the people that want to breed "because their children should see the miracle of birth"... NOT
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wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 16:26 last edited by
@tanza, and also many breeders insist on their pups being neutered if they are not being shown. And often co-ownership if the dog is intact and showing. When I got Perry at 3 years old, he was intact, but I had to promise to send proof of neutering as a condition of having him.
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replied to tanza on 21 Mar 2021, 16:39 last edited by
@tanza I'm just pointing out that too early is NOT good for the dog.
Its such a shame that the mindset over there is so different to that over here. I have long since accepted that as fact, although with extreme reluctance.
But @JENGOSMonkey was saying not before 1.5 - 2 years. And that he didn't think that was 'too early'.
For the development of the dog, yes it IS too early. But it will happen, over and over again. Such a shame.
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replied to eeeefarm on 21 Mar 2021, 20:08 last edited by
@eeeefarm - That is true because many breeders know that people do not want to be bothered with in-tact dogs, especially when they have children in the house.... Just pointing out reasons that many people have their pets spayed/neutered. And yes in the US it is a requirement from many breeders... differences between the US and Europe. But that does not mean spay/neuter at a totally inappropriate age.
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replied to giira2121 on 21 Mar 2021, 21:38 last edited by
I think the biting/soiling himself is an extreme reaction to seeing a child 12 feet away! I've never heard of or seen such a thing happen. A fearful dog is a dangerous dog and your guy is just a little pup! I don't think he is aggressive - just fearful. If you were carrying him, that would explain the bite. An animal in fear or over excited will bite anything nearby (even a loved one). You need to build his confidence and control his attention. You use a sling (to carry him)? Don't. He needs to walk, explore and build confidence!
First, get yourself a light metal chain leash (not a heavy one).
Next, make sure he is wearing a collar and/or harness he cannot get out of - these guys can be like a houdini contortionist and you want to prevent his escape at all cost! If you have to use both a collar and a harness, do it. I recommend a martingale collar in addition to a harness. Use 2 leashes if you have to. Keep your eyes on him every second when he is on leash and you are outside. I keep my basenji in front of me - it's when he is behind me and starts to back up that he can get out of his collar/harness.
Next, desensitize him to whatever freaks him out. Go to a playground - stay far away and work your way closer SLOWLY and preferably with another dog who is older and very calm who can be a good example for your little guy. Or sign up for a puppy obedience class where there will be a couple of kids. Let the instructor know about the problem. Your pup will be distracted by the other pups and they will be a good example to show him there's no reason to melt down.Always have treats to give to other people to give to Pharaoh so he will learn that strangers (big and little) are a good thing. Also, work with him on "Look at Me!" in a happy voice when you give him treats and put his food down - if you can get him to focus on you rather than whatever is "bothering" him, it could help in a scary situation.
You need to build Pharaoh's confidence up.
I support spaying and neutering. It can be kinder. My friend has a wonderful and well mannered Arabian stallion. I feel sorry for him that he can never be with other horses.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2021, 22:49 last edited by
So when I mentioned not neutering till 1.5 to 2 years, I based that on reading on multiple sites including AKCs that sexual maturity occurs between 6 to 9 mo, and that most breeds (males) are full grown by 12 mo. Large breeds by 24 mo. They seem to agree that full grown means growth plates have closed. Based on that, the range I gave would be generous for a Besenji.
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replied to tanza on 22 Mar 2021, 04:00 last edited by
@tanza said in My vet says my puppy is too aggressive:
@pawla - I think you are responding to a different post?
I had the same thought, however, the post that I this response reminded me of has been deleted (by the author). This response, I think, should have gone to: @yahtzee92
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replied to mikesull on 27 Mar 2021, 06:15 last edited by helle devi
Hi - still not sure why neutering is “bad, bad, bad”? Understand if thats an opinion and thats cool but 100% of every dog owner i know has had their dog spayed/neutered. Seems the responsible thing to do as well?
For reasons in a nutshell and in detail, I'd suggest you check out the link below. It has scientific research to dispel many neutering myths.
https://my.puppyculture.co.uk/resources/flipbook/spay-neuter-booklet/
Good luck with your decision.
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replied to DonC on 27 Mar 2021, 06:27 last edited by
@giira2121
as @donc saidFirst off, if a vet thinks neutering will change aggressive behavior you should look for a new vet. That is such a discredited myth. If she doesn't know that what else doesn't she know?
When considering whether to neuter, I'd suggest you check out the link below. It has scientific research to dispel many neutering myths.
It's a brief but very thorough booklet discussing the pros and cons of neutering/spaying, more science based than anecdotal.
https://my.puppyculture.co.uk/resources/flipbook/spay-neuter-booklet/There is definitely less societal compulsion to spay/neuter in Europe.
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