Cream Basenjis

[nobarkus]

Some talk started about this on the trimmed tail thread.

Here's a letter from Veronica Tudor-Williams and picture of a cream Basenji.

http://www.basenji.org/african/tudo7906.htm

[lvoss]

Here are some links to see some of the other colors that were mentioned in that thread and some that were not but do occur. It is too bad the older photos are in black and white so you can't really tell the true color.

Creams and Blue Tris if you scroll down - http://www.newworldbasenjis.net/OldAds.htm
Mahogany Tri - http://www.basenji.org/african/Nyanabie.htm
Blue Fawn - http://www.basenji.org/african/Siri.htm
Capped Tri - http://www.basenji.org/african/P_Lady.htm
Trindle - http://www.ktcampbell.com/taji/tazi.html
Saddle - http://www.basenji.org/african/B_Tena.htm

[Quercus]

Thanks for sharing this Dan. I agree with lots of others that it is a real shame that we don't have some of these really rare colors still in the gene pool. But what's done is done, and the original breeders had some valid reasons why they chose not to continue with those colors. Understanding of genetics and health and colors and patterns has increased tremendously in half a century…..we can't blame them for knowledge they didn't have.

It IS interesting that there haven't been any modern day reports of creams or blues in Africa (I don't think, anybody correct me if I am wrong).

[lvoss]

Reds seem much more common in Africa then tris so it would probably be pretty rare to see a blue tri. If there are blue fawns like Siri, some may think they are just light colored reds. If you only caught a glimpse of a dog you may not notice the opalescent quality to the coat.

[nobarkus]

@lvoss:

Reds seem much more common in Africa then tris so it would probably be pretty rare to see a blue tri. If there are blue fawns like Siri, some may think they are just light colored reds. If you only caught a glimpse of a dog you may not notice the opalescent quality to the coat.

I agree you would probably would miss it if not aware about the color variations.

[Quercus]

@lvoss:

Reds seem much more common in Africa then tris so it would probably be pretty rare to see a blue tri. If there are blue fawns like Siri, some may think they are just light colored reds. If you only caught a glimpse of a dog you may not notice the opalescent quality to the coat.

Can you explain this more Lisa? It would be rare because the likelihood of two tris carrying the dilute gene would be unlikely to 'find' each other? (since there are less of them?)

[lvoss]

Yes, since tris are less common in Africa the chances of two dogs that have the tri and dilute genes having puppies is less probable. If one or both parents are red tri carriers then the probability that the dilute offspring will be a tri is even lower. You would be much more likely to find blue fawns if the dilute gene is still present in the population but they are also more likely to be misidentified.

[Nexa]

@lvoss:

Here are some links to see some of the other colors that were mentioned in that thread and some that were not but do occur. It is too bad the older photos are in black and white so you can't really tell the true color.

Creams and Blue Tris if you scroll down - http://www.newworldbasenjis.net/OldAds.htm
Mahogany Tri - http://www.basenji.org/african/Nyanabie.htm
Blue Fawn - http://www.basenji.org/african/Siri.htm
Capped Tri - http://www.basenji.org/african/P_Lady.htm
Trindle - http://www.ktcampbell.com/taji/tazi.html
Saddle - http://www.basenji.org/african/B_Tena.htm

Although not as dark, Nexa has a similar sable saddle as Avongara Bahati Tena. Her face and legs are 100% red and her back is darker with black hairs. They do share Avongara Diagba and Avongara M'Bliki in their pedigree. I love all the pictures of the different colors.

[Basenjimamma]

Thanks for showing this, I wish like you said they were in color so you could see better, but it is very cool indeed to at least see what you can. I was merely saying in the Trimming tail thread that I thought it was too bad these once true colors were "lost". I understand the early thoughts of some colors being more prone to sickness and all, I just wish it was caught early enough to not loose the genes. Am I making any sense at all? I know what I am trying to say, just having a hard tiem conveyeing it..
again, Thanks Dan

[Janneke]

What a beauty!

[Quercus]

@Janneke:

What a beauty!

Just so we are clear here for everybody, that is Avongara Siri of Brushy Run, and her owner, and those that have seen her in person, describe her as a blue fawn, not a cream.

Blue fawn is a comon color in several breeds of dog, the first one that comes to my mind is pit bulls, as I have a friend with a BEAUTIFUL blue fawn girl.

And, yes, I think Siri is one of the most beautiful basenjis I have ever seen pics of :) I wish I could see her in person.

[Basenjimamma]

I agree, she is a striking dog, absolutely beautiful, I would love to see her live as well.

[lvoss]

@Quercus:

Just so we are clear here for everybody, that is Avongara Siri of Brushy Run, and her owner, and those that have seen her in person, describe her as a blue fawn, not a cream.

Blue fawn is a comon color in several breeds of dog, the first one that comes to my mind is pit bulls, as I have a friend with a BEAUTIFUL blue fawn girl.

And, yes, I think Siri is one of the most beautiful basenjis I have ever seen pics of :) I wish I could see her in person.

I have seen Siri in person and she is a beautiful basenji with a truly lovely temperament. It is too bad that she only had one litter but at least the girls from that litter have been bred from. I had really wanted to use one of her sons but they had all been neutered by the time I contacted Bev.

[tanza]

Reminds me lots of our newest addition, Lukuru Amisi (scoll down to the bottom of the page http://www.basenji.org/NativeStock/ImportIndex.htm) and isn't he handsome!

[lvoss]

It should be noted that Amisi is truly just a pale red which illustrates how if someone only catch glimpses of Native dogs on their travels it may be difficult to know what you are looking at.

[tanza]

@lvoss:

It should be noted that Amisi is truly just a pale red which illustrates how if someone only catch glimpses of Native dogs on their travels it may be difficult to know what you are looking at.

Exactly…. but the great part I think is the deep dark mascara around the eyes on both dogs.... that gives them (IMO) that far off look...

[Nexa]

@tanza:

Reminds me lots of our newest addition, Lukuru Amisi (scoll down to the bottom of the page http://www.basenji.org/NativeStock/ImportIndex.htm) and isn't he handsome!

There are some great pictures of Amisi and Dr Jo's other imports here, they really show the color well. http://fopawsbasenjipuppies.com/african_basenjis_and_dr_jo

[creambasenji]

@quercus I have a cream basenji who is 9 months old!!

[senjisilly]

@creambasenji
Photo please.