@Alex Always suggest that it is a male/female pair... of course it would depend on each disposition... but rule of thumb is male/female...so I would think that you might be better with one of each sex, that said, your breeder for the dobie can help you with that especially since Chance is older (way older... LOL) now and yes, always suggest separate feeding... I have always used crates to feed them in... But disagree that temperament doesn't matter in the beginning, but it can... so make sure that your pup has a good temperament and from a responsible breeder.
Exercise Limits for Puppies
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Basenjis seldom pant. It is a characteristic of the Breed. When in extremis they will suddenly pull an unmistakeable face - I call it snake facing. And when it gets to that stage you are probably going to need cool damp clothes over the back of the head and neck and a cool place. Do NOT give too much to drink at this stage though. Wait until the dog has cooled right down.
There is free running exercise and there are force route marches on a lead. The Basenji will go a great deal further and more easily free, sitting when he needs a rest, when you stop for a chat with other dog owners or just to assess the situation.
I take 5 month old Kito for 2 - 3 miles and he runs at least 5 or 6, possibly even more because he follows Mku who will do at least four times my distance.
Well done @mikesull. You are giving your guy a really good appropriate Basenji life style. If only more people were able to do as much for their doggies.
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@bill-t said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
I just don’t want to get a mile in and have to carry him out (or injure him!)
If I had a basenji pup, I'd teach him to lay across my shoulders like the villagers in the Congo do. That way, if he got tired (or stubborn), I could easily carry him/her. Unfortunately, I have only ever been owned by adult b's. My current 7 yr old will plop down anywhere to rest if/when he gets too hot or tired. I bring a book and read while I wait for him because I can't carry him in my arms for long.
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@mikesull hey did you get your dog from Boston Basenji?
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@pawla said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
If I had a basenji pup, I'd teach him to lay across my shoulders like the villagers in the Congo do.
I used to do that with Lady. A picture from long, long ago....
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Yes! Boston Basenji. Great guy and wonderful dogs
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@eeeefarm said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
@pawla said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
If I had a basenji pup, I'd teach him to lay across my shoulders like the villagers in the Congo do.
I used to do that with Lady. A picture from long, long ago....
I LOVE that picture!! Jengo and Logan both allowed me to carry them that way. Sparkle's a bit more squirmy, so I haven't tried yet.
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@zande said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
Basenjis seldom pant. It is a characteristic of the Breed. When in extremis they will suddenly pull an unmistakeable face - I call it snake facing. And when it gets to that stage you are probably going to need cool damp clothes over the back of the head and neck and a cool place. Do NOT give too much to drink at this stage though. Wait until the dog has cooled right down.
This was true of Jengo when he was young, but changed when he got older. He seemed to get overheated faster as he aged and we noticed more panting. Both Logan and Sparkle pant when overheated and they're only two. I carry a water bottle that doubles as a bowl for them now when we go on long hikes. I still find it kind of weird because I'd heard the same thing: "Basenjis seldom pant. It is a characteristic of the Breed." I think I'll start packing a couple of bandanas that I can soak and wrap around their necks.
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@jengosmonkey said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
I'll start packing a couple of bandanas that I can soak and wrap around their necks.
If they are overheated, it is best to put the cold packs in their front armpits. This will help them to safely cool off faster.
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@zande said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
Basenjis seldom pant. It is a characteristic of the Breed. When in extremis they will suddenly pull an unmistakeable face - I call it snake facing. And when it gets to that stage you are probably going to need cool damp clothes over the back of the head and neck and a cool place. Do NOT give too much to drink at this stage though. Wait until the dog has cooled right down.
This is a great point. I'd describe the fact as "pinched". Easy to see if you are looking for it.
When it gets hot we use a cooling jacket from Ruffwear. Probably other sources, this is just the ones we've used. Works great. They hate it but in a couple of minutes they'll go from that pinched look to being fine. We usually wet it down and put it in a plastic bag but you could wet it down in situ from a water bottle.
I'm not a fan of an off-leash Basenji, but if you're going to do it a cellular tracking collar would definitely be advised. Where I am we have too many coyotes, mountain lions, rattle snakes, and assorted other critters for me to be comfortable letting them roam too far. Coyotes regularly take small dogs from backyards. A Basenji is bigger than a Jack Russel, but a single Basenji doesn't stand a chance against several coyotes or a Bobcat for that matter.
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@donc said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
A Basenji is bigger than a Jack Russel
But not tougher, trust me! My farm friend has had several Russells, they are tough as nails and punch way above their weight! Killing raccoons, for instance, and of course rats etc.
Just need to add, neither dog would have a chance against a coyote, even a single one. I had coyotes in my area too, and so kept Perry within sight when off leash. One time a coyote crossed the path a little way ahead of us, so I made sure Perry stuck very close for the rest of that walk! Coyotes will lure dogs away from safety, and then take them on, often with a pack ambush.
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@jengosmonkey
I use a “ Mission Enduracool Cooling Towel” for humans. (You can purchase on Amazon - 2 for around $12). I wet it and would tie it around her neck. (Machine washable) Especially if we were out on the boat for the day and it was really hot. Towel is suppose to be 30:degrees cooler than body temperature and stays cool for several hours. It definitely provided relief on extremely hot days and she likes it. -
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I'm not sure I agree that it's too much, but I appreciate your caution and concern. I did not begin with 3 miles, but worked to it, after finding no evidence at shorter distances that there was any indication of excess. We don't go everyday, but as of now, once a week, but planning on twice a week. When we go, it's not non-stop, and it's pretty slow (not the pace at which I normally ride). I stop and assess every 1/4 mile or so to see if he's thirsty, tired, wants to stop and sit or laydown, etc. But he doesn't show any sign of wanting to stop. He starts going on his own. When we finish, he shows no sign of tiredness. I've taken him to the dog park after, and he still wants to play with other dogs for longer than we ride. -
I would assume that Basenji's, coming from Africa, Zaire or Congo, and being short-haired, tireless, doubles suspension trot, are genetically predisposed to handling heat better than most dogs, and this would be manifest in panting less, since panting is to dissipate heat. (Of course, as suggested, that doesn't mean this breed cannot get overheated, as indicated by those with experience seeing a "pinched" look when they appear hot.)
My cockapoo loved to run as we mountain biked, and of course, he panted up a storm. He loved to get into the creek or mudhole to cool off. Oddly, he would never drink a drop of water from a dish or bottle, only the creek (just a few laps), but drank mostly after getting home.
That basenji's would have higher tolerance for heat than most other breeds is an unsubstantiated assumption on my part based on info anyone can find on the internet, not from a peer-reviewed expert source. I can't seem to find any such books written specifically about the basenji. Suggestions?
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Most of my Basenjis had a high heat tolerance, the exception being the one I got when he was 3 years old and had lived in an air conditioned house. He didn't handle heat as well as the others, although he certainly could manage a hot day. But my girls, particularly, would lie in the sun on the hottest of days and almost never panted. They could and did run a long way on a hot day without showing signs of distress. I also think most Basenjis would look after themselves and let you know if they wanted to quit, unlike Border Collies, many of whom would work themselves to death if you aren't paying attention. Handlers at trials often have to send their dogs to water when they need it, although some dogs will head for the bathtub unbidden.
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@sanjibasenji Many years ago, a judge who thought he was being clever, had the bitch challenge class running around and around on the hottest day. He was surprised when someone, quite correctly, realised her Basenji was suffering and took her out of the ring.
Oh, laughed the stupid man, I thought Basenjis could stand the heat.
They can, retorted one exhibitor/handler, but they sunbathe in it, they are to sensible too race around in it.
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@zande said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
@sanjibasenji Many years ago, a judge who thought he was being clever, had the bitch challenge class running around and around on the hottest day. He was surprised when someone, quite correctly, realised her Basenji was suffering and took her out of the ring.
Oh, laughed the stupid man, I thought Basenjis could stand the heat.
They can, retorted one exhibitor/handler, but they sunbathe in it, they are to sensible too race around in it.
Amusing anecdote, but could point to any evidence-based information that could be useful and reliable?
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@sanjibasenji Our first Basenji was a sun worshiper. He'd lay out on the concrete patio a good part of the day and just soak up the heat. As he got older, and especially after his stroke, I had to watch him closely. He became much more heat sensitive, but seemed unaware of it. The two newbies... can't quite tell just yet. They do sun, but not quite as much as the first. Might change. Who knows.
One thing I have heard, but have never bothered to fact check it is this: A Basenji's internal temperature runs about 2 degrees higher than most all other breeds. This adaptation allows them to tolerate hotter ambient temperatures better than most all other breeds; however, it's also responsible for their lower tolerance to colder ambient temperatures.
No idea if it's true. Can't recall if I heard it or read it.
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@eeeefarm said in Exercise Limits for Puppies:
But not tougher, trust me! My farm friend has had several Russells, they are tough as nails and punch way above their weight! Killing raccoons, for instance, and of course rats etc.
It's just size. We knew someone who almost lost their Jack Russel when a coyote grabbed him on the driveway (he got into the car, made chase, the dog fought, and the coyote dropped him). An adult Basenji, at maybe 10 more pounds, is too big for this.
Most of the coyotes where I am are around 30 pounds, too small to want to take on a medium dog directly, but they are pack animals and that's a different story. I've run into one or two greyhounds who had scars from when ambushed by coyotes while hunting them. (No comment on the judgement of their owners who thought hunting coyotes was a good idea).
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@donc We definitely have coyotes where I am. We hear them at night and occasionally see one or two on the trails in the early mornings. I read an article last week that said several SF Bay Area trails had been closed to all dogs because it's coyote pupping season and they didn't want pets killing the coyote pups. First time I've heard than one.
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@DonC, you may have noted that I wouldn't back either a JRT or a Basenji against a coyote. Apart from the likelihood of the coyote luring them into a pack ambush, even a solitary coyote can be a formidable opponent. I don't know where you live, but some of the ones I have seen are possible coyote/wolf or coyote/dog hybrids and go a bit heavier than what you indicated. Basenjis do best when they use their agility and speed but some are bloody minded and will take on an opponent in close combat before they realize their mistake. Our home grown Basenjis are a long way from the smarts of a village dog!
