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  • i would love an akita, chow, or gsd if not for the hair. and i've never met a giant schnauzer in person, but i love the idea of them. i also like the looks of a thai ridgeback, but have never met one. and i love mastiffs, but i don't love drool. i also love those big-headed goofs (american pit bull terriers), but i don't want the risk of a homeowner's insurance increase. i bet i'll end up with a poorly-bred mixed one some day, though, as they are just sooooo ridiculously cute, i know i'll sucker myself into adopting one.

  • I've actually been thinking about adopting a shiba inu for a while now, so they are pretty high on the list.
    I love New Guinea Singing Dogs; they are how I first discovered basenjis.
    I'd also go with a Catahoula Leopard dog.

    tlish- It bothers me that APBT's get such a bad rep. Every one that I've ever met has been so sweet. A few weeks ago, we had one that was wandering around our neighborhood with no collar that had recently given birth to a litter of puppies, and she also had scars all over her body. She was so sweet; she walked right up to us, let my roommate put a leash on her, and jumped into the back seat of the car so that my roommate could take her to the vet.

  • SenjiShowgirl I see you like the Ovcharka there are some to die for in Mt. Big and lots of hair very nice looking. They kind of look like the long hair Akita to me.

    Rita Jean

  • I had to look up the Ovcharka and found myself on a dog fighting forum, it was like, the third result. :(
    Gorgeous dogs, but what heart breaking abuse, wow. I didn't know people actually still did that.

  • Mango, I don't know anything about the Ovcharka other than what I've seen from these sites:

    http://www.bradanderson.org/blog/
    http://2naughtyshibas.blogspot.com/

    Lots of amazing videos on both that, I think, give a good impression of what living with those big guardian dogs is really like.

  • Thanks, I'll have to check the vids out! They look like big fluffy bears, I don't know if I could handle the fur but it would certainly be an adventure for any owner, haha.
    I guess it's not shocking someone would think to use such a big strong dog for such a "sport" but of course that's hardly any indication of what having one as a companion would be like. Lots of the dogs known historically for dog fighting can make amazingly loyal pets. I had just never heard of Ovcharkas before and was surprised to see such… open discussion about dog fighting, I guess.

    But anyway. Thanks for the links! It's always interesting to learn about different breeds.

  • My friend had a guard-company in sweden and had a few Ovtjarka. Thay are very cute and amazing to look at, but it is not for every people to own one of those ;)

  • i'll have to check out those links as well.
    As for the Ovcharka, well they are not a common breed, no. And yes, sadly they are a common "dog-fighter" it is horribly sad to see such abuse on such wonderful dogs. Both the Caucasian and Alabai (aka Central Asain Ovcharka) make absolutely fabulous family dogs for the right owners.
    I personally owned a mix of the Caucasian and Central Asain, named Kyle. He was wonderful! adored children of all ages, got on well with other dogs, loved people. Sweetest pup you can imagine, but he would also protect you no matter what.
    These dogs are from Georgia(not USA)/Armenia, and in LA where i had lived for a year was a predominantly Armenian community, and finding one wasn't all that hard.
    I will have to put out there though that this is NOT a breed for everyone at all. and definitely not for a weak/non-dominant pack leader, or an inexperienced dog owner. Its in the hands of those owners that these dogs can get a very bad name. Their size alone makes them kinda dangerous. At only 10 months old my pup was already 100 lbs, and he was very small. (he had a very serious health issue as well that kept him from gaining weight)

    I have not seen those forums that you spoke of, but i have seen so many about all the negative aspects of these breeds and about fighting. this is not the side i look at, same with the Pitties. its all in how they are raised.
    no-one sees this side of them (picture CR. Inga, a facebook friend) :

    and my own boy Gail (kyle) at 5 months, with my B boy

  • I have to say, that the great Dane holds a place in my heart. I love them. AND I really love my basenji Ayo, I think basenjis are awesome and I think we fit very well. The only thing that is really frustrating about basenjis is not being able to have them off leash. And not just off leash but the constant fear of escape and eventual death by car!. I find that I don't do some things that I used to do more with my great Dane, like go to the beach and such, just because here, there aren't any places without lots of people and cars!.. So I think if I were to have a breed other than basenjis I would go for a breed that would be fine just walking calmly next to me wherever I go…. I love French bulldogs, and stafordshire pit bull terriers are nice too. And Great Danes.
    But I think next year I'm getting another basenji!!!!!!!!

  • I forgot to add Medio Smooth Podengo to my list of non Basenji breeds :)

  • A Rat Terrier (either mini or standard), Pomeranian, or Chinese Crested.

  • Sorry, but I'd most likeley go for a beagle, that was my very first dog and he was awesome!! Got him off the street…my first 'rescue'...after that, crap, can I say this...a cat.....OUCH!!!...Yeah, I was very lucky with both my B pets, but as I get older, I'm not sure I would be able to handle a young B. However, as I look forward to retiring I'm more than happy to have multiple B's in my home. :) Older ones, like me :)

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    Sure! I have only worked with UKC at this point, but there are others out there. http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/WebPages/DogWeightPull The dogs are divided into classes by weight. Placements are given out in each class, although they really don't matter much. The weight classes are 15 lbs apart for smaller dogs and 20 lb increments for big dogs. For example, the Basenjis bascially fall into the 30 lb class. (anything from 16 to 30.9 lbs) There are two ways to calculate placements, and it is decided ahead of time by the clubs holding the event. Format A is by most weight pulled. Format B is by most weight pulled per pound of body weight. It is calculated as a percentage. Most clubs do format A one day and format B the next. Also each day there is an overall winner for both the most weight pulled and most weight pulled per pound for all classes combined. I have seen everything from an American Bulldog to an Italian Greyhound win the most weight pulled per pound. :) All titles in UKC are earned by each dog's individual pulls compared to their own body weight. So classes and placements really don't matter, except for fun. There are 3 types of carts/surfaces to pull with, and each has their own point scale. Snow pulls are the hardest, so it doesn't take as much weight pulled in those events to earn the same amount of points as say a pull with a rail system. Wheeled cart pulls are inbetween, and the rail carts are the easiest to pull. Therefore it takes more weight to earn points. For example, a qualifying score for the first title takes only 3 times the body weight on snow to earn. It takes 7x the weight if its a wheel cart, and then 10x the weight on a rail track. Then to earn championship points after your first title, you only need to pull 5x body weight on snow, but you must pull 10x weight for wheels and 20x weight on rails! The more you pull the more points you earn, up to a max of 20 pts per event. Some titles can be earned by pulling on any of the surfaces. Other titles are for showing off versatility and the dog must earn so many points in two or all 3 of the surfaces to get them. There are 6 titles total you can earn. IWPA is another organization just for pulling, and they accept all breeds. I have never pulled with them however because the closest pulls in my region are over 3 hours away, up North. We have enough to do with everything else in the dog world that I don't need to make those kind of drives for this. lol http://www.iwpa.net/ APA is another one I just found this winter doing some googling. They have some pulls very close to home this summer so I am looking forward to going. I don't think they're a very big or influential organization to bother pulling with, at least for Basenjis, but will be nice to check it out. http://www.weightpull.com/ I think these are all the ones that will accept all breeds. Both IWPA and APA I think give points based on class placements, so I know they have some different formats than UKC. The only thing you really need is a custom fitted harness. It's an investment of about $50 -100 depending on who you go with and what you make of it. There are 3 harness makers that I've either used or know others personally who have, and they all do nice work and come highly recommended. Missy Kehler - The Working Canine (she's in the middle of redoing her site) http://www.theworkingcanine.com/ Harnesses By Carol http://harnessesbycarol.com/ CD Pits http://www.itsmysite.com/cdpits/ Most of these sites also have links to training articles, so search thoroughly. :) Our club got to host the "national" snow pull this year for UKC, organized by UNWPA. Here's a link to my little Roxie placing 4th in her class of 8, beating out 4 other Basenjis. This was only two weeks after her very first pulls. (And yes, there's more than one of us crazy Basenji people out here!) And two of those placing Staffies flew out from CA for this! lol Our lovely frigid below freezing MI temps were so welcoming. :) And check out our little racing friend BJ, the IG! http://www.unitednationalweightpullassociation.com/2009%20shows/UNWPAsnowpull2009.htm