For Sale: Basenji pups For Sale in Nampa ID

[rmholt]

For Sale: Basenji boy and girls For Sale Nampa ID

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Rose Marie Holt
Nampa ID
rmholt1@mindspring.com
Basenji(s) For Sale: 2 girls 1 boy
Age of Basenji(s): DOB Nov 14 2010
Current weight of Basenji(s) for sale: normal, roughly equal.
Weight of Basenji(s) parents: 25 lb mom, 30 lb dad (19 inches)
Parents health tests: on request
Registration if any (AKC, Basenji Clubs, etc): sire UKC. dam African import
Price: $400 to the right person/family mainly to cover additional tests for pups of Africans. Routine puppy tests and treatments included.
Age when puppies will be ready to be taken home: 10 weeks or longer depending on pup maturity.
Do you ship your Basenjis: to the right person.

[Patty M]

Can we see pictures please?

[DebraDownSouth]

Um… no, going to duct tape my mouth and let the experienced folks respond to this.

[LindaH]

Where are these puppies actually located…Nampa or Jersey City?

[rmholt]

@DebraDownSouth:

Um… no, going to duct tape my mouth and let the experienced folks respond to this.

Debra what does that mean? Do you have something you'd like to share?

[rmholt]

@LindaH:

Where are these puppies actually located…Nampa or Jersey City?

Nampa, I fixed the typo

I used the template to make the ad and left in their example

Nampa is a town near Boise Idaho

[rmholt]

@Patty:

Can we see pictures please?

Yes, Patty, photos , additional information, questions answered via email rmholt1@mindspring.com.

[rmholt]

So I have 2 girls and one boy. One boy already tentatively spoken for. 3 weeks old today! Tails all curly as heck. (This is something to look for in Africans)

[DebraDownSouth]

If there is health testing, why not share it upfront?

[Quercus]

Removed my post

[DebraDownSouth]

Why not post the health though?

The not AKC I guessed had to do with breeding African stock that isn't accepted into the registry. Since I am not a breeder, not going to question that as really, I don't want to know lol. But again, why wouldn't she just post the health testing?

[lvoss]

Anyone can go to the OFA website and search Avuvi to see what health testing has been done on dogs with that prefix. Since these dogs are Avuvis that should bring them up. If not, hopefully enough information to verify testing will posted.

It is recommended that anyone interested in buying a puppy use the OFA website to verify health testing.

[sharronhurlbut]

Sorry, Quercus, there is some debate as to the real "basenjiness "of these puppies.
They might be african, but if they are b's they have NOT been accepted by the folks who allow new basenji blood into the BCOA.
Sorry Marie, I know you want to do what you want to do, but if many folks opionions, your breeding african dogs.

[Quercus]

@sharronhurlbut:

Sorry, Quercus, there is some debate as to the real "basenjiness "of these puppies.
They might be african, but if they are b's they have NOT been accepted by the folks who allow new basenji blood into the BCOA.
Sorry Marie, I know you want to do what you want to do, but if many folks opionions, your breeding african dogs.

I know Sharron. I have seen this all evolve from the beginning That is why I described the breeder as "unorthodox"

[Quercus]

@DebraDownSouth:

If there is health testing, why not share it upfront?

removed…changed my mind.....

[sharronhurlbut]

NOPE, I have to disagree. Health testing is upfront and out there.
Not disclosing is a RED flag.

[DebraDownSouth]

I guess I never want to make anyone work to find out if I have tested, or wonder.

[rmholt]

@DebraDownSouth:

If there is health testing, why not share it upfront?

Health testing: Whatever I have done through OFA is on there. As for other tests and health issues, any serious potential buyer will get all the info I have to give. What they do with this info is up to them. I am not a show breeder and right now not an AKC breeder, have had a UKC litter but lagging on the registrations. My market is not the same as some other resposible breeders. I am looking for appropriate homes for great (and healthy) dogs from Benin West Africa. Some are UKC, some may be submitted for AKC in order to help the domestics, but that is a side project. The BCOA is behind in areas on familial disease particularly in the DLA area, ie genetic diversity, MHO. Some diseases are fairly common but not talked about unless someone asks specifically about it. So a BCOA blessing is not state of the art. Additionally there are no tests for most disorders. A full battery of tests doesnt guarantee against serious disease. So when you get these results for your prospective pup you also deserve to find out about other issues.

My Fanconi test on Apollo is Prob Neg but I have been told there was a mixup in that batch so I have to resubmit. If you just looked at OFA you would think he had been definitively tested. Macho and Apollo IIRC have had their hips done which were Excellent. The pups are almost ready to have their hips done, but I do question the idea of spending a lot of money on this test. OFA okays breeding down to the FAIR level. That isnt very selective and includes almost every dog in the registry. We have small fit dogs with low likelihood of hip problems even in their inbred state, even if they score FAIR. So I might wait til I get a job and not dig into my retirement (I was laid off June 2009) to get this done by age 2. My contract covers all contingencies I can think of and any the customer thinks of. I have been a little scrambled becoming a breeder WAY before I wanted to (long story) and this is my first planned litter. Meanwhile I have been in MD looking for Macho and looking for a job. This breeding was done for a person with another Benin dog who wants to breed without inbreeding so it works out for both of us. I need to find good homes for the "extra" 3 dogs.

I will verify that I am behind in Fanconi testing to be corrected as soon as the kits get here. I will tell you that all the imports are PK normal.

[rmholt]

@lvoss:

Anyone can go to the OFA website and search Avuvi to see what health testing has been done on dogs with that prefix. Since these dogs are Avuvis that should bring them up. If not, hopefully enough information to verify testing will posted.

It is recommended that anyone interested in buying a puppy use the OFA website to verify health testing.

Apollo and Camacho (sic) were mistakenly entered by their call names (spouse means well) so if you are looking for hips or other tests you might not find them under Avuvi.

No one has to work to find out the health issues but I am limiting all information to serious buyers in order to limit needless exposure of these dogs to erroneous speculation which I then have to answer. I dont have time, or interest, to be honest, to rehash this debate yet again. Anyone who wants to know and is serious can email me. If you presume I dont have what you want, then you wont be emailing me and we can save each other some time. All these debates are in the archives of several groups.

[rmholt]

@rmholt:

Health testing: Whatever I have done through OFA is on there. As for other tests and health issues, any serious potential buyer will get all the info I have to give. What they do with this info is up to them. I am not a show breeder and right now not an AKC breeder, have had a UKC litter but lagging on the registrations. My market is not the same as some other resposible breeders. I am looking for appropriate homes for great (and healthy) dogs from Benin West Africa. Some are UKC, some may be submitted for AKC in order to help the domestics, but that is a side project. The BCOA is behind in areas on familial disease particularly in the DLA area, ie genetic diversity, MHO. Some diseases are fairly common but not talked about unless someone asks specifically about it. So a BCOA blessing is not state of the art. Additionally there are no tests for most disorders. A full battery of tests doesnt guarantee against serious disease. So when you get these results for your prospective pup you also deserve to find out about other issues.

My Fanconi test on Apollo is Prob Neg but I have been told there was a mixup in that batch so I have to resubmit. If you just looked at OFA you would think he had been definitively tested. Macho and Apollo IIRC have had their hips done which were Excellent. The pups are almost ready to have their hips done, but I do question the idea of spending a lot of money on this test. OFA okays breeding down to the FAIR level. That isnt very selective and includes almost every dog in the registry. We have small fit dogs with low likelihood of hip problems even in their inbred state, even if they score FAIR. So I might wait til I get a job and not dig into my retirement (I was laid off June 2009) to get this done by age 2. My contract covers all contingencies I can think of and any the customer thinks of. I have been a little scrambled becoming a breeder WAY before I wanted to (long story) and this is my first planned litter. Meanwhile I have been in MD looking for Macho and looking for a job. This breeding was done for a person with another Benin dog who wants to breed without inbreeding so it works out for both of us. I need to find good homes for the "extra" 3 dogs.

I will verify that I am behind in Fanconi testing to be corrected as soon as the kits get here. I will tell you that all the imports are PK normal.

I should add that the puppy prices are gauged to help me finance puppy health testing that is usually not required for the nonbreeding pet owner. This is for the Avuvi project. I think the price barely covers these tests. They are also bargain priced for not being AKC and in some cases UKC. This matters very little in my area, but I am a motivated seller who wants to find the right homes. These are special dogs and need someone who will be a good companion for and appreciate the dog.