Nice, they are about in a few different adverts, I spot them every now and again.
And so it begins….the shame.
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I have to say I have always… ALWAYS neutered and spayed my dogs and have NEVER seen this to be true. NEVER.
In fact, In my experience, the neutered dogs get along much better.
I totally agree with this. At most of the dog parks we attend, it is usually the intact dogs that are causing the trouble.
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Then how can you justify people that neuter their dogs before they get them? Or have them neutered at just a few months old? You hardly "know" your dog at that stage, it's still in the puppy stages. Feels like the Minority Report, we judge before they act.
The more I think about it the more I see the logic in waiting until the dog is at least 1 year old so you can observe just how he/she acts in different situations, especially mating season. Actually waiting 2 years would be better.
That may work for those in Europe, but not in the US… as a responsible breeder, I will not selling pup without a spay/neuter contract and until I have proof of the spay/neuter, I am on the papers as a co-owner (same as I would be if the dog/bitch was sold as a possible show prospect). And I would prefer the spay/neuter to be done sooner rather then later (by 1yr for males, before 1st season for bitches) Too many BYB's in the US that are not held to any standards, good breeding practices, or health testing. Too many people that can be "lured" in thinking it is easy money to breed and sell puppies.
However, that said, I do not believe it is the right of a city, state to mandate spay/neuter which is a big problem here in the US brought on by PETA and HSUS.
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These articles make a valid argument more for waiting until after puberty to spay/neuter rather than not at all. I waited until my cat was past her first heat before spay. AJ was neutered as an adult by his previous owner because he got caught, shall we say, with his hand in the cookie jar one time too many.
I can see the benefit to waiting until they are finished growing. As said earlier, sex hormones have a lot to do with bone and muscle growth. I believe (with no scientific evidence to back me up, merely my own observation) that altering the animal at too early an age causes obesity more than waiting until puberty has passed. Neither of my pets is overweight.
But I am still a proponent of spay/neuter if the animal will not be used for breeding or showing purposes. A neutered animal can work as hard and run as fast as any other animal. Will I force my view via laws? Heck, no…it's not my place to tell someone else what to do by force of law. Will I debate and try to sway someone? Sure...that's what we do in the US. And at the end of the day, I will still respect you regardless of your final position on the issue.
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Very interesting discussion - I learned a lot I didn't know.
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Ok, I've posted this before, but here is another side effect of not neutering-no matter the age. I had a mini Schnauzer that I wanted to breed, before the age of two, he had no less that three bouts of prostititus costing me upwards of $1000 each time- now that was over 20 years ago, so you can imagine the cost now. I did end up neutering him anyway because after almost dying three times, it wasn't worth the effort anymore. And yes, he still ended up fat, so the arguement against neutering before or after one is really non existent. Your dog can still get fat if neutered after age 1 or before age one. It all depends on how much food is going in vs coming out. This is just MO.
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Update on my story:
I have kept Gizmo away from the Dog Park since the first story, in an attempt to reduce this behavior.
So he has been calm lately, and yesterday I decided to treat him on a trip to the Dog Park.There where around 5 other dogs there, which was nice. Gizmo was VERY eager to get out and play…or so I thought....
The biggest dog was a Boxer, and Gizmo went right up to him and hung out. Things went rather well. I talked a lot to the owners, and they informed me he was well trained, and never bites just makes a lot of noise. So I felt safe after watching Gizmo have fun for 10 minutes or so.
But the Gizmo wants to test out his new fun past time...embarrassing me. So Gizmo "mounts" the boxer on his side (he still hasn't found out what end to work at), and starts doing his "bunny-hop" thrusts.
I go "uh-oh", but the owners just laugh and say "don't worry, The Boxer (I forget his name), will let him know not to do that."
And sure enough The Boxer turns his head and makes a growl and bark. Never biting. Gizmo is stunned, and stands frozen. The Boxer goes back to playing with the other dogs.Gizmo stands away for a few seconds, and then jumps right back at mounting The Boxer. Again his owners laugh and comment that Gizmo just couldn't take the hint.
Well this time The Boxer was more than annoyed. He was pissed. Gizmo got off 2-3 thrusts and The Boxer spun around! All 4 of his feet left the ground as he did a 180 and turned to face Gizmo. He let off a HUGE growl and bark, then a long and serious growl. Had a short stare down at Gizmo, whom then had his ears back, and tail down to the ground...he veeery slowly started to back away.The Boxer then turned back to the other dogs and played. Gizmo on the other hand sat there shocked, his ears still turned back. I could see he was thinking hard "What? I can't do that?"
Gizmo walked, while every 3 steps turned to look at the other dogs playing, back to me and the other owners. He sat down and sat there watching the other dogs play. Every now and then he would stand up, but only to sit down again.Poor little guy, I could see he was "hurt" by being yelled at like that. He really wanted to play, but didn't dare to.
So for the first time, Gizmo came willingly to leave the Dog Park.Hopefully he has learned his lesson. I plan to take a trip to the park today as well.
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It hurts top watch them be corrected by other dogs. I'm glad it was understanding owners who had the Boxer. And I'm glad the Boxer was easy on little Gizmo. He'll learn what's okay and what's not. I hope that Boxer is there next time you go to the park. He sounds like a good teacher.
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Sounds like Gizmo got a good lesson from a fair teacher (the boxer)…Gizmo is lucky!
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I am glad that the Boxer decided to be nice and just yell at Gizmo, some other dog might have gone nuts on him and really told him off. Gizmo will learn what behaviour is Ok and not, especially if he has good, nice teachers..
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PERFECT!! That is exactly what he needed, and the perfect age to learn it. Once he is an adult, that would probably turn into a fight…but that Boxer should be given the lifetime teacher award! Perfect! Definitely take him again today, and see how it goes, you don't want him to think he isn't allowed to play...just not allowed to hump
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Ahaha, oh I am still laughing after being at the park today. Only one dog was there, BUT it was 1 years old, and still very much a puppy.
So for a twist Gizmo was the one getting mounted!!! Ahahaha! Oh man, it was SO funny seeing Gizmo getting a taste of his own medicine. And to make it even funnier, Gizmo too was doing the mounting stuff.
So we (me and the owner of the other dog), ended up witnessing something that made us both uncomfortable. Gizmo and this other dog switching back and forth.I filmed it, so once I get it uploaded I will post the link. Don't know how well it turned out, since they were pretty far away.
Here is the video, I just put together everything I filmed that day at the park. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICh8lBeN1c
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Oh Gizmo…. too funny
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Your Dog park stories have me in stitches
I can just imagine the Boxers face.
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Oh how funny. Looks like ageneral hump fest…
I bet Gizmo wishes he had siblings at home, he would brag and brag..so funny. -
Oh man, it was SO funny seeing Gizmo getting a taste of his own medicine.
Yep…literally.
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That video cracked me up! It sure looks like they had a good time though.
