Looking for red and white male

[thunderbird8588]

Good on you dcmclcm4, you are an angel on earth to take care of those dogs so well.
In a world were so many bad things happen its great to read about people like you.

[tanza]

@Basenjimamma:

Does fanconi exist in the wild b's? Is there any research on that? I am curious now, since it was mentioned in the last post..
It is proven, in other breeds that we, the people, through breeding for certain traits, have developed other not positive traits in some breeds, again not in b's but other breeds in general..makes you wonder..

Obviously since Fanconi can be traced back to the org imports that were brought from Africa and we know it is genetic, it would have had to exist in the wild…. Remember that in the wild, it is natual selection, only the strong survive... so that the ones that would have, might have come down with Fanconi died off and were never bred (in a pack selection, not human breeding selection) Fanconi did not happen due to breeding traits... again it is genetic.

And IMO.... while many can give and do give pills to animals with success... there are that many more that would never be able to... I know this for a fact, as my better half couldn't give a pill to an animal if his life depended on it... period.... and then to have to force 16 to 30 some pills down a dog a day.... well again.. depends on the person

[lvoss]

It is difficult to know exactly if Fanconi was a problem in the Native population for several reasons. One is that it took the breed fancy a while to realize what Fanconi was. Early in the breed history Fanconi was often misdiagnosed. So by the time it was recognized as an issue, people weren't going to Africa to get new imports so there was no real discussion with the Natives about the issue. Another thing that complicates it is that Fanconi is a late onset disease so the dogs may not have lived long enough to be symptomatic.

It is most probable that Fanconi existed in the Native population of basenjis in Africa and was brought over in the original imports.

[ComicDom1]

@Rita:

Jason as the world goes on each day as they say to each there own and thank God that each of us are not the same and see things in a different light.

Rita Jean

Rita, I could not agree with you more. Preserving life at all costs is certainly a double edged sword.

Jason

[snorky998]

(OT)…Jason, thank you for your post. Even when you post a dissenting opinion you're a gentleman about it and take the replies in stride.

The give and take of an educated adult discussion is what makes this forum great. Thank you for your input.

[sharronhurlbut]

This place is great for getting all views expressed and listened to.

[Basenjimamma]

Thanks for the info on whether fanconi exited/exits in the native packs..I really didn't know (haven't done my homework), but now I have a better idea..

[ComicDom1]

@tanza:

Obviously since Fanconi can be traced back to the org imports that were brought from Africa and we know it is genetic, it would have had to exist in the wild…. Remember that in the wild, it is natual selection, only the strong survive... so that the ones that would have, might have come down with Fanconi died off and were never bred (in a pack selection, not human breeding selection) Fanconi did not happen due to breeding traits... again it is genetic.

And IMO.... while many can give and do give pills to animals with success... there are that many more that would never be able to... I know this for a fact, as my better half couldn't give a pill to an animal if his life depended on it... period.... and then to have to force 16 to 30 some pills down a dog a day.... well again.. depends on the person

After giving this some thought and discussion with Miranda, along with her background in molecular biology, we both feel that the only way eradicate Fanconi from the breed is by controlled breeding period. Since controlled breeding does not exist in the wild, it is our view that Fanconi will never be eradicated from the breed. In the domestic population, not everyone that breeds practices controlled breeding, so the breed will never be free from Fanconi. From we understand the only way to take any gene out of the breeding pool is to remove from that pool, any animal carrying that gene.

We would appreciate anyone who can point out any other possibilities in regard to the solution of the Fanconi problem.

Jason and Miranda

[dmcarty]

Understanding however that breeding carriers to clear is the option that allows to include the widest genetic diversity. Breeding only clear to clear reduces the diversity in the population - shade of what happend to the breed during some of the other health concerns like HA, PRA and Malabsorbtion. Hopefully we learned that throwing the baby out with the bath water is not the most effective way of keeping valuable traits while eliminating health concerns.

[renaultf1]

@dmcarty:

Understanding however that breeding carriers to clear is the option that allows to include the widest genetic diversity. Breeding only clear to clear reduces the diversity in the population - shade of what happend to the breed during some of the other health concerns like HA, PRA and Malabsorbtion. Hopefully we learned that throwing the baby out with the bath water is not the most effective way of keeping valuable traits while eliminating health concerns.

+1…I could not agree with you more!