@elbrant thanks!
Looking for red and white male
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I do not think it is responsible to NOT do the DNA test before a Rescue is placed. Regardless if they pass on the information, by the time a person would do the test, 99% of the time there is an emotional attachment (and I am sure that is what many are counting on) that they will just keep the dog and hope for the best. I think that is wrong. Again, my opinion
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I will say the DNA yes would be excellent but the cost how would they ever cover it?
Rita Jean
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@Rita:
I will say the DNA yes would be excellent but the cost how would they ever cover it?
Rita Jean
IMO, there are a number of things they could do, first many of the dogs that are give up to rescue are not strays or from a shelter… when someone needs/wants to give up a dog to BRAT, they BRAT should attempt to collect the 65.00 needed to do the DNA test from that person. Many people would do that IMO... and if you don't ask you don't know. That is just one solution... and in the end, isn't it about the dog, not the money?
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IMO, there are a number of things they could do, first many of the dogs that are give up to rescue are not strays or from a shelter… when someone needs/wants to give up a dog to BRAT, they BRAT should attempt to collect the 65.00 needed to do the DNA test from that person. Many people would do that IMO... and if you don't ask you don't know. That is just one solution... and in the end, isn't it about the dog, not the money?
We do ask for a surrender fee. I am not sure what the percentage of compliance is but I know in the ones I have removed from homes )2 of the 6-7 that I transported/fostered) they did not have the money. It is still not enough.
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I think some people are missing the point of rescue.
While I am not an expert, I do qualify as a Basenji lover for the last 17 years. That makes me an expert in Basenji love!:)
Would I still have adopted Hunter if he had fanconi? Absolutely. Is there a chance that my otherwise healthy 1 1/2 year old pup could test positive down the road? Absolutley again. Could I buy a basenji from a breeder and have it test positive down the road? I'm pretty sure there is a small percentage. Could my 7 year old that I got from someone placing an ad in the paper (gasp) :eek:test positive? Absolutely.
I adopted to give a dog a home. Healthy or not, I showed unconditional love.
There are no guarantees in life, any life. When you love, you know you will have your heartbroken. It is part of the cirlcle of life. Fanconi or not, does it really matter in the big picture?
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Vicki,
I am willing to bet that for many people who have had to live through the heartbreak of losing a Basenji to this awful disease it most definitely DOES matter.
I understand your point, you take your chances, and that's your choice. Some people do not have it in them to go through that kind of hell.
Better for that person to know that and head it off at the pass.
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Does it really matter to some yes and some no. Like people have no kids and then they have a baby and get "rid" of the dog. Was that unconditional love? I just watched a video clip were a boy "human" was adopted and months down the road they gave him back. Your correct there are no guarantees in life but do some people really know what love means?
Rita Jean
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I think some people are missing the point of rescue.
While I am not an expert, I do qualify as a Basenji lover for the last 17 years. That makes me an expert in Basenji love!:)
Would I still have adopted Hunter if he had fanconi? Absolutely. Is there a chance that my otherwise healthy 1 1/2 year old pup could test positive down the road? Absolutley again. Could I buy a basenji from a breeder and have it test positive down the road? I'm pretty sure there is a small percentage. Could my 7 year old that I got from someone placing an ad in the paper (gasp) :eek:test positive? Absolutely.
I adopted to give a dog a home. Healthy or not, I showed unconditional love.
There are no guarantees in life, any life. When you love, you know you will have your heartbroken. It is part of the cirlcle of life. Fanconi or not, does it really matter in the big picture?
That's how I feel about rescue. I know when I rescue I give a dog a safe loving forever home and I'll take the bad with the good. Rescue isn't easy because of all the quirks and baggage that comes along with an animal - but I wouldn't have it any other way. I have six dogs and love them all….believe me they aren't perfect, but either am I.
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IMO, there are a number of things they could do, first many of the dogs that are give up to rescue are not strays or from a shelter… when someone needs/wants to give up a dog to BRAT, they BRAT should attempt to collect the 65.00 needed to do the DNA test from that person. Many people would do that IMO... and if you don't ask you don't know. That is just one solution... and in the end, isn't it about the dog, not the money?
Pat, I don't know much about this issue….but my original thought about why BRAT is not testing for Fanconi, is more of an ethical issue, than a monetary one. If they test the dogs for Fanconi before they adopt them out, then what happens to the ones that test probable affected? 99% of those dogs aren't going to be adopted, then what? Euthanize a perfectly healthy (at the moment) dog? Stick the foster families with dogs that aren't going to be adoptable, because since they have bonded with them euthanasia is no longer acceptable? Have the family that is surrendering the dog test it first, and then refuse to accept dogs that are probably affected? That doesn't help the dogs at all. Although it does seem strange...it kind of seems like the best decision is not to test, let the adopting family test if they choose....then if they can make the choice whether they want to return the dog, euthanize it, or keep and treat it.
That is a reality that every adopting family has to face. Maybe in the future all breeders responsible and irresponsible will have cleared their stock of Fanconi, and the risk won't be so great in adoption...but for now, I don't really see how BRAT or any other rescue can do it any differently.
Just my thoughts on a rainy Friday morning....
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That's how I feel about rescue. I know when I rescue I give a dog a safe loving forever home and I'll take the bad with the good. Rescue isn't easy because of all the quirks and baggage that comes along with an animal - but I wouldn't have it any other way. I have six dogs and love them all….believe me they aren't perfect, but either am I.
But, Vicki, you are in the minority. There are lots of people that choose to rescue a dog because they feel they are getting 'a good deal' in the money department. Or because they feel like that is the socially responsible thing to do, rather than purchase one. And most people are VERY unlikely to adopt a dog that has a fairly certain likelihood of a lifelong disease. Most people want to adopt a healthy, young, dog who is free of behavioral problems. And those dogs that fit that profile get snapped up really quickly in rescue.
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And those dogs that fit that profile get snapped up really quickly in rescue.
That's true. most never make it to the website.
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My biggest problem is that BRAT still lists their strip test result so that it makes it seem like they are testing and their adopters don't necessarily know or understand the difference. So they get a dog that says "Fanconi tested? Yes, Negative" and do not realize that this statement was only good for the day it was strip tested and says nothing about whether this dog may be symptomatic later in its life. If BRAT is not going to test then they need to put a LARGE disclaimer next to this statement on their forms that says "DOGS ARE STRIP TESTED ONLY. RESULTS ONLY INDICATE WHETHER THE DOG WAS SYMPTOMATIC ON THE DAY TESTED AND DOES NOT INDICATE WHETHER THE DOG WILL BECOME AFFECTED IN ITS LIFETIME." Without this statement their forms are misleading and if people think the dog is "tested" so they are not testing then they are unlikely to catch the disease early if the dog does become symptomatic.
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That's true. most never make it to the website.
So, what happens to those who don't make it to the website?
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They are adopted so fast they are never posted.
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O how I wish they all were adopted that fast. Dream come true.
Rita Jean
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They are adopted so fast they are never posted.
Okay, I understand.
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I would think it depends on how and what has them for example a kill shelter to non kill or foster care or BRAT who ever has them.
Rita Jean
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What happens to the Basenjis on the website that are there for such a long time? Do they remain in foster care?
Yes, they remain in foster..as far as I know BRAT doesn't get rid of dogs because nobody wanted them. Many fostervolunteers become "foster-to-adoptees, Some of the brat volunteers I have spoken to have had one or two of their foster dogs for months, maybe even years.
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I could never be a foster. I would keep them all!!!!
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My biggest problem is that BRAT still lists their strip test result so that it makes it seem like they are testing and their adopters don't necessarily know or understand the difference. So they get a dog that says "Fanconi tested? Yes, Negative" and do not realize that this statement was only good for the day it was strip tested and says nothing about whether this dog may be symptomatic later in its life. If BRAT is not going to test then they need to put a LARGE disclaimer next to this statement on their forms that says "DOGS ARE STRIP TESTED ONLY. RESULTS ONLY INDICATE WHETHER THE DOG WAS SYMPTOMATIC ON THE DAY TESTED AND DOES NOT INDICATE WHETHER THE DOG WILL BECOME AFFECTED IN ITS LIFETIME." Without this statement their forms are misleading and if people think the dog is "tested" so they are not testing then they are unlikely to catch the disease early if the dog does become symptomatic.
Good point, Lisa…
