Blue tri basenji

[Quercus]

@lvoss:

This is one of the blues that was posted somewhere earlier this year from Nocturnal Kennels.

Dilute is recessive so both parents must carry the gene to produce it. The gene is pretty rare at this point in the gene pool. Unless they know of unrelated dogs that carry the gene and would be willing to use their dog then they will probably have to breed back to the parents, to siblings/half siblings, or aunt/uncles that are known to carry the gene.

Was there more than one, Lisa? I hadn't seen the pic before. Nice looking dog

[lvoss]

I believe there was a blue tri and a blue trindle but I am not positive. I am not sure that they are registrable with AKC.

[Quercus]

@lvoss:

I believe there was a blue tri and a blue trindle but I am not positive. I am not sure that they are registrable with AKC.

Is the general feeling that they are purebred?

[kurabasenji]

This site is always full of surprises for me! liked seeing the tri-blue very unusual.

[lvoss]

I think the consensus was maybe. Hard to tell for sure from the pics of the pups and parents.

[agilebasenji]

I went to Sally's website and did find some "Nocturnal" dogs listed, but the registration numbers were strange. Some were clear, some carriers. I also tried to find decendents from the blue dogs May Morning of Sin and Morining Mist of Sin, but that also was a dead end. However, relatives of these dogs have been used.

[Quercus]

@etzbseder:

I have never seen anything like that before. The eyes are also blue, so I am all sorts of confused about that one. I half expected it to have red eyes and be some sort of albino type pup.

I am thinking the blue in the eyes is the reflection, not the color. Blue dobes have brown eyes, just like black ones.

[Shaye's Mom]

The tri blue is a beautiful dog - never saw another like it - but if I did I'd grab it in a minute!

[Quercus]

@Shaye's:

The tri blue is a beautiful dog - never saw another like it - but if I did I'd grab it in a minute!

I agree…I think we all agree....I can't imagine why the original founders of our breed wished to get rid of that color. Such a shame.

[tanza]

I guess I am of the minority…regarding the color... While I can appreciate a good structured dog of any color, I would have a tough time with the Blue.....

[agilebasenji]

@Quercus:

I am thinking the blue in the eyes is the reflection, not the color. Blue dobes have brown eyes, just like black ones.

I would have guess the eyes were light, but not really blue. I have a blue malinois and her eyes are a weird greyish color, definately not the brown of our previous (normally colored) malinois. Also Siri, the Avongara blue fawn colored dog, has light colored eyes.

http://www.basenji.org/african/Siri.htm

But I do thing the color in the photo is due to the reflection and not the true eye color

[Quercus]

@tanza:

I guess I am of the minority…regarding the color... While I can appreciate a good structured dog of any color, I would have a tough time with the Blue.....

Oooops, guess I shouldn't have spoken for 'everyone'

[Kananga]

@agilebasenji:

I would have guess the eyes were light, but not really blue. I have a blue malinois and her eyes are a weird greyish color, definately not the brown of our previous (normally colored) malinois. Also Siri, the Avongara blue fawn colored dog, has light colored eyes.

http://www.basenji.org/african/Siri.htm

But I do thing the color in the photo is due to the reflection and not the true eye color

Interesting. There's a kennel not too far from here that I spoke with awhile ago. They mentioned that they had a few basenjis in there before, and that they've seen different colors. At one point he mentioned there was a "blond" basenji. Until now I thought he was simply mistaken, but that link means there might be one nearby with the same coloring.

[misspodhradsky]

Very beautiful looking pup. Just wanted to let people know Sarah lee–breeder of Nocturnal kennels-- is a very sweet lady and is not a puppy mill. She is one of the few that i know to have the blue color trait.

Just wanted to clear this up.

[starrlamia]

Blue dogs are pretty, but I know in other breeds blue is often linked to immune problems and allergies.

[Maya]

Its a pretty pup, I like unusual and its certainly that. Seeing it next to the normal tri though, i really do prefer the normal ones. The blue looks kind of washed out or something…

Still, if i got one of those in a litter i'd have to keep it just cos its different lol

[tanza]

@misspodhradsky:

Very beautiful looking pup. Just wanted to let people know Sarah lee–breeder of Nocturnal kennels-- is a very sweet lady and is not a puppy mill. She is one of the few that i know to have the blue color trait.

Just wanted to clear this up.

Color aside…..

While we all have our own ideas on what is or is not a responsible breeder and/or a puppy mill and/or Backyard Breeder, my personal opinion is that this is not a responsble breeder. Why? 1st they breed/sell and have a number of different breeds that they breed and sell (at least 5 different breeds). And in my opinion, there is no way that you can properly socialize puppies having that many. They do not sell on a spay/neuter contract or any contract that I can see, therefore breeding of their puppies produced and sold with or without their knowledge is pretty much a reality. This would lead one to believe there there is no way they can keep track of all the puppies they have bred and sold, so hard to believe that they are responsible and take back any puppy bred/sold if the owners had to give up that particular dog for whatever reason. And/or be responsible for the offspring of anyone breeding any puppy that they have sold/placed.
While I see that they have Fanconi tested a few of the Basenjis (or it could have been offspring) that I could find in Sally's database, 3 of the bitches are carriers, so even bred to a clear, are the puppies tested so that any buyer would know if their pup is a carrier or clear, especially seeing that they don't use spay/neuter contracts? Without that knowledge, that pup could be bred to another carrier and produce affected.
Also, looking at the pictures, clearly to me, the dogs are kept in pretty bleak kennel runs.... and again, in my opinion, are not up to AKC standards in type or conformation. And it doesn't look like they are AKC registered according to Sally's side or the AKC site with the exception of the one Male

Flaming suit ready and waiting

[lvoss]

@tanza:

And it doesn't look like they are AKC registered according to Sally's side or the AKC site with the exception of the one Male

Flaming suit ready and waiting

No flaming from me. I just wanted to add that they are not AKC registered nor are they AKC registerable. The breeder has not provided pedigree information on the blues when asked.

[dcmclcm4]

I would like to know the pedigree since I rescued a few CKC-Continental Kennel Club Bs a few years ago-reds & brindles-all males. They were from different breeders in Southern OH who sold them to an Amish USDA dealer/breeder.

[tanza]

@dcmclcm4:

I would like to know the pedigree since I rescued a few CKC-Continental Kennel Club Bs a few years ago-reds & brindles-all males. They were from different breeders in Southern OH who sold them to an Amish USDA dealer/breeder.

You can go onto Sally's sight and search under Nocturnal Kennels, there is only one with a pedigree on there… while the rest are there because of Fanconi testing they are listed as Unknown/Unknown