Just a question…

Hi there,

Well, obviously i did some research into fanconi before i bought a basenji, and made sure the parents were tested (the UK seems pretty good for breeders testing, most i spoke to DO test!) and lovely Maya is from two clear parents.

Now, the breeders are getting their pup tested anyway and i plan to do the same with Maya but im just curious. With PRA which we have in labs, two clear parents cannot produce an affected pup or pass it on to any offspring, only carriers can… So is it the same principle with Fanconi? Would i expect Maya to be clear also? Or is it something that can be passed on even though the parents are clear?

Sorry if that sounds really dumb :o But all these different diseases have so many different ways of being passed on, i get confused! :p

Jess

If both parents are clear, you should expect Maya to be clear. But the test is not 100%, so IMO anything can happen. The worst though, again IMO, should be carrier designation.

While there is no clear or carrier by parentage, for me, even though my 4mo (tomorrow) pup could be a carrier (one clear parent & one carrier parent), I'm going to wait on testing her in the hope that the direct test comes in the not too distant future. Obviously if her breeder (who co-owns her) wants to breed her in a few years and the direct test doesn't become available before then, she would have the marker test done.

Because it is a marker test there is no such thing as Clear by Parentage. Also, most of the human error that has happened has been caught because they have found inconsistent results between parents and offspring. It is best to test all dogs but if you are not going to breed for a couple of years and you do not have any other intact basenjis in your house then you can wait until you do other health testing. If I had an intact basenji of the opposite sex then I would definitely test because I would want to know if there was an "oops" that I would not have Affected puppies.

Good point Lisa about the intact dogs in the house. I guess I will be doing the marker test after all…hadn't considered that. :o THANKS!

The only male dog in the house is my lab Riley who is neutered, but probably wouldnt have a clue what to do even if he was capable lol!

Thanks for the info though, much appreciated!! No plans to breed from her at the moment but i guess the time could come in the future if she does well in the ring. There's not really much to breed her to over here anyway though lol

@Maya:

There's not really much to breed her to over here anyway though lol

know the feeling:rolleyes:

I think its a good idea to test, even if the parents are clear, its like a double check and also goes on record so anyone can look it up. If everyone was more open it would help the breed. Some people over here don't even acknowledge that fanconi exists, others haven't tested maybe they are worried about the results. The majority do test though and nag others to do the same.

We do have some good dogs over here but unfortunately most of them have come back carriers or affected. I think you need a knowledge of what there is other than in the show ring today. I used an 11 year old to get the lines and qualities I wanted.

There are some promising pups out there and now that we have the testing we will have a lot more clear dogs to choose from in the future.

When the definitive test comes in I am planning to re-test.

@moetmum:

I think its a good idea to test, even if the parents are clear, its like a double check and also goes on record so anyone can look it up. If everyone was more open it would help the breed. Some people over here don't even acknowledge that fanconi exists, others haven't tested maybe they are worried about the results. The majority do test though and nag others to do the same.

We do have some good dogs over here but unfortunately most of them have come back carriers or affected. I think you need a knowledge of what there is other than in the show ring today. I used an 11 year old to get the lines and qualities I wanted.

There are some promising pups out there and now that we have the testing we will have a lot more clear dogs to choose from in the future.

When the definitive test comes in I am planning to re-test.

This is what I liked about the German system and many other countries in europe, being that all dogs have to be tested before they can be bred from.

@moetmum:

I think its a good idea to test, even if the parents are clear, its like a double check and also goes on record so anyone can look it up. If everyone was more open it would help the breed. Some people over here don't even acknowledge that fanconi exists, others haven't tested maybe they are worried about the results. The majority do test though and nag others to do the same.

We do have some good dogs over here but unfortunately most of them have come back carriers or affected. I think you need a knowledge of what there is other than in the show ring today. I used an 11 year old to get the lines and qualities I wanted.

There are some promising pups out there and now that we have the testing we will have a lot more clear dogs to choose from in the future.

When the definitive test comes in I am planning to re-test.

I agree. I will test any dog I plan to breed, regardless of what his parents tested as. Human mistakes happen, the test may not be perfect… don't want to assume anything as important as whether or not my dog may or may not produce Fanconi

@basi:

This is what I liked about the German system and many other countries in europe, being that all dogs have to be tested before they can be bred from.

Is the DNA Fanconi test reconized as a required test in those countries in Europe that require pre-testing?

And it is really no different here… most have or are testing, but there are still people that do not and still have their heads in the sand about testing... I wish that all testing was public knowledge like the Fanconi test.... like hips, eyes, etc...

@tanza:

Is the DNA Fanconi test reconized as a required test in those countries in Europe that require pre-testing?

It is in Germany don't know about other countries😕

Thanks for all the replies, very much appreciated!!

I havent really given much thought to breeding Maya, i didnt buy her with the intention of breeding her asap lol Just to have my dream basenji, and then hopefully if she matures nicely, i would have a litter in a few years to have another pup for myself. I would first and foremost be testing just to have that result there for future research into lines.

As far as im aware, from doing my own research on health testing, the Kennel Club in the UK do not recommend any health tests for basenjis.

interesting to read the views on using the marker test. I am amazed that more people in the uk are not testing - i know its not a definitive test but surely we should be using it as its the best/only option we have at the moment? I have had experience of Von Willebrands in my dobermanns, and know how heartbreaking it can be when things crop up in your lines - but I would have thought that its best to have all the information you can get so you can make an informed decision about breeding surely? And i would agree that every pup should be tested, as clear parentage isnt clear parentage, its "probably clear" parentage, thats something quite different.

On another note, how long do the results take to come back? I mailed Tilly's test about 2 weeks ago - are they usually pretty quick about getting results out?

It takes usually about 3 weeks from the time the are received to get results. It is dependent on how many tests they receive because they try to get a fully run to keep costs down.

@basi:

This is what I liked about the German system and many other countries in europe, being that all dogs have to be tested before they can be bred from.

@tanza:

Is the DNA Fanconi test reconized as a required test in those countries in Europe that require pre-testing?

And it is really no different here… most have or are testing, but there are still people that do not and still have their heads in the sand about testing... I wish that all testing was public knowledge like the Fanconi test.... like hips, eyes, etc...

Following more in depth from Basi, she is also meaning that in Germany breeders will recieve VERY hefty fines for breeding without the proper testing and permissions from the breed club. They can have their kennel license (of sorts) revoked, be denied from entering shows and registering dogs of their breeding or from other breeders). A dog has to be of a certain age, and received a set amount of show awards before it can be entered into the breeding permissions exam. Then a actual show judge and member of the breed club evaluate the dogs to be entered into the stud books.

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