@Kembe - Thanks for the update
Help Needed: Basenji on Craigslist - OR
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I sent $50.00 as well.
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I sent $100
Pat
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We hit $400… yeah!
I already have a vet appointment set for Wednesday morning.
My vet rocks more than any other vet!
They doubled and will have me in there during their surgery hours because I didn't want to leave him there in a kennel while I was in school.
I will get him a kennel before I pick him up, so he will be well-cared for!
Since we don't have any knowledge on his history,
I will get the fanconi test ordered too.Thanks everyone for pitching in and giving this boy a chance to be with a basenji family.
I imagine life with the rat terriers is kind of EWWWWWWWWW.
Apparently the 10yo basenji finds him annoying [well that is a DUH! moment].I'll update when I get him next week.
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Although I see you have met your goal, I have contributed $25. I'm sure you can always use it for food or other supplies to get the dog settled in it's new home.
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WOW, I am so excited for him…thank you all for helping him out..that felt good and I know he will feel it too..
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Great area! Please keep us posted on the progress.
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Hey, ladies….what's our progress on this boy???
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I am not trying to put a "damper" on this… but Vicki you have 8 dogs already... is it really wise to take another?.... do you plan on working with any of them and then finding them new homes?
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Tanza, nobody else was willing to step up for this boy, not even BRAT. Granted, he has a history with BRAT, but I say give Vicki a chance. I'm sure she knows what she can handle. Maybe being around a bunch of other misfits is what will be good for him. The other dogs may be the ones to rehabilitate him.
Cesar Milan uses his considerable pack of dogs to rehab others a lot.
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Yep!:D I've been paying attention to their history as you write about them.;)
'Sok, though…I'm a misfit too.
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@AJs:
Tanza, nobody else was willing to step up for this boy, not even BRAT. Granted, he has a history with BRAT, but I say give Vicki a chance. I'm sure she knows what she can handle. Maybe being around a bunch of other misfits is what will be good for him. The other dogs may be the ones to rehabilitate him.
Cesar Milan uses his considerable pack of dogs to rehab others a lot.
To tell the whole story on Cesar, you need to point out that Cesar Milan had the financial backing, time, and secured property at his disposal. This allowed him to properly rehab the dogs he took in. Not all the Dogs he has rehabed have worked out, and not all of them were homeless dogs. Cesar Milan made his living working with dogs and it was his primary job when he came to the USA. No disrespect, but Vicki is certainly not Cesar, nor is Vicki operating under the same circumstances.
Here is a quick insight to the life of Cesar Milan, and if you have not read his books or studied them I would highly recommend it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Millan
I also think its unfair to even comment about Brat and this dog unless you know the history. There are reasons for everything. A Dog that Bites with the intent to break the skin that is unprovoked, is considered a dangerous dog even in Vicki's state of Georgia. If I read the statues properly, the owners of dogs like that are required to care a $15,000 liability insurance policy. I do not know if this is something Vicki will face in the future or not with this new Basenji she is taking in.
Jason
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You need to point out that Cesar Milan has the money, time, and property to properly rehab the dogs. Cesar Milan made his living working with dogs and it was his primary job when he came to the USA.
I also think its unfair to even comment about Brat and this dog unless you know the history. There are reasons for everything. A Dog that Bites with the intent to break the skin that is unprovoked, is considered a dangerous dog even in Vicki's state. If I read the statue properly, the owners of dogs like that are required to care a $15,000 liability insurance policy. I do not know if this is something Vicki will face in the future or not with this new Basenji she is taking in.
Jason
I have to agree here with Jason…. While I think it is great to try and save all/any dogs... you need to consider their needs and if they will or can be in a Pack... There are different degress of "bites"... and the intent of that bite... and while it might be in a pack situation, not directed at the human... serious injury can happen... and in a pack situation if a fight starts... most all of the pack will join in... been there, done that.. and it is not fun or amusing to have (in my case) 5 going at it.. and one human trying to break it up... believe me, the human loses...
Any dog that is determined or "tagged" a dog that bites may be able to have the behavior reversed.. but I personally am not so sure that in a pack situation of 8 if this is really a wise idea....
And I also agree with Jason on Cesar Milan... totally
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First I want to say Thank You Vicki for giving this guy a chance.
Second you are so right it is your life your home and do as you like. Grand dad always said when you clean one closet you clean them all or do not clean any. Words of wisdom.
Third I have meet you and talked with you some people have that little thing that dogs love them and they are great with them.
Fourth I see these pets as Vicki's kids did anyone on here give away there children? I bet that if one of Vicki's friends lost there pet and was close to Vicki's dogs and said I sure would love to take ______ home with me it would happen. Now I could be wrong and Vicki correct me if I am.
Fifth I hope you get your farm with all the animal's and get to live your dream that's what life is all about.
Sixth Un-pick your tractor I've got grand dad's he even had new motor put in it only got about 100 hours on it. Now look out it's red and hot and a young age born in 1959.
Good for you for saying finished. I do hope you read this.
Rita Jean
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While I think it is premature to consider Vicki a hoarder, I think it pays to remember that few of us really "know" each other. And it is all too easy on the internet for people to present themselves with any number of identities…so we all need to be careful before investing too much emotion and MONEY with people we don't know. In this case, Kathy (Khanis) has been around the block more than a few times with nutty dog people, and I trust her evaluation that Vicki would be a good home for this dog.
But I do find Jason's words of caution are good, and valid...to think details through before we commit to supporting a project.
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While I think it is premature to consider Vicki a hoarder, I think it pays to remember that few of us really "know" each other. And it is all too easy on the internet for people to present themselves with any number of identities…so we all need to be careful before investing too much emotion and MONEY with people we don't know. In this case, Kathy (Khanis) has been around the block more than a few times with nutty dog people, and I trust her evaluation that Vicki would be a good home for this dog.
But I do find Jason's words of caution are good, and valid...to think details through before we commit to supporting a project.
Honestly, it was because Kathy was involved that I decided to support this project. She is at least someone I can tie back to the "real world". No offense meant to Vicki at all, but I've never interacted with her in person or really know who she is (and I'm not suggesting she isn't whom she represents).
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Regarding the financial aspect and requesting help for the B-boy, Vicki had just taken in a dog, had the vetting done, paid for the travel, etc. Khanis is a student and didn't have the money to spare. The foster this boy was in obviously was desperate to have him out of her house. Together, Vicki and Khanis did some research, communicated with BRAT and the foster, came to a decision and requested some assistance. Some of us felt comfortable giving that assistance and did so. And felt good doing it.
Regarding hoarding…I guess my gramma could be considered a hoarder. She has two dogs, three cats, three breeding pairs of Macaws, at least 25 smaller green parrots, some who breed, a Lovebird, three "Rooster"-atiels and one disabled crow. One of those two dogs is a Basenji I took to her last year. She is 91 years old and on a fixed income. Her house is not spotless, but it is not unhealthy either.
Does she meet the criteria?
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Vicki, I have knowledge of this boy from when he was first taken into rescue.
I would very much like to share what happened re his behavior and biting history.
I think it would be best to share this info privately, so please post to me,
brescue@wavecable.com and I will give you all the history I have re this boy.For all you others, BRAT did try to help this boy. I am not going to go into it, but
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I think the question that started all this discussion was a valid question asked out of concern for both Vicki and all of her dogs. She has one dog that delivered at least a level 3 bite in an incident of redirected aggression, she just brought home a dog that has a respiratory illness and is demonstrating resource gaurding severe enough that he has bitten, and now she is taking in another dog who has delivered at least level 3 bites. Any one of these dogs would be a challenge for a person to work with and rehabilitate. Having three, 2 of which are newly acquired and so both needing square one work can easily become overwhelming. I think it is only natural for people to be concerned about what thought has been put into a management plan to protect Vicki from sustaining any more serious bites that may prevent her from caring for her other dogs and to protect all the dogs in the household from a situation that can quickly escalate.
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This thread is going off topic and we have seen personal attacks here as well. Hoarding discussion has been moderated and broken out into a different thread.
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=7643
May I remind everyone that personal attacks will not be tolerated at Basenji Forums and offenders will be warned and banned from this forum. Personal attacks include any attacks on someone's personal life, religious beliefs, ethnicity, or personal habits.
If you can't find a respectful way to express your difference of opinion, then you're better off saying nothing at all. Don't talk down to other posters, lecture them or be rude and dismissive. Disagreement is fine, but attacking another poster personally will get you in trouble.
While you may think you are just having a healthy debate the other person might not think so. In that case it's best to leave the thread alone and report the post to the moderator.
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@AJs:
Regarding the financial aspect and requesting help for the B-boy, Vicki had just taken in a dog, had the vetting done, paid for the travel, etc. Khanis is a student and didn't have the money to spare. The foster this boy was in obviously was desperate to have him out of her house. Together, Vicki and Khanis did some research, communicated with BRAT and the foster, came to a decision and requested some assistance. Some of us felt comfortable giving that assistance and did so. And felt good doing it.
Regarding hoarding…I guess my gramma could be considered a hoarder. She has two dogs, three cats, three breeding pairs of Macaws, at least 25 smaller green parrots, some who breed, a Lovebird, three "Rooster"-atiels and one disabled crow. One of those two dogs is a Basenji I took to her last year. She is 91 years old and on a fixed income. Her house is not spotless, but it is not unhealthy either.
Does she meet the criteria?
AJ's Human, I see the points you are attempting to make here in regard to this situation and can appreciate them. After reading them, I find that I have to ask if you know personally who they contacted in Brat and what information was actually given. I think its good to feel good about helping others and I think you will agree that sometimes we do things in life with good intention because we care or care too much at times.
I really think its time to present the facts correctly here!
The foster home was not a foster home. Lets please reference these people as owners. The people involved signed a hold harmless contract with Brat which gave them full ownership and released Brat for all liability. After the Owner/ Trainer realized they had made a big mistake they were not
only desperate but in a big hurry to rid themselves of this dog.Jason
