@senjisilly just now saw your reply. Thanks for the pedigree website. I knew about it and it’s a great resource.
Pedigree
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Bella,
Well said, I am in the same position as you with a petstore dog that I did not know better about until after I got her. Now I would never buy from anything but a reputible responsible breeder. I too wish I would have had this forum before we got Zahra.
Sorry to say… I got my Bella from a petstore. She was a gift from my husband for my B-day. I would not trade her for the world, but I also would not buy from petshoppes or BYB's now that I know what I know about them. I love Bella dearly and she is really a good girl, but she also has a luxating patella that I know will get worse as she ages. This would not have happened with a responsible breeder. Also, I have the decision to make about DNA testing for fanconi... I am torn between having it done and possibly knowing she will have fanconi in the future (this would tear me up inside and I would worry constantly). So, since I am not DNA testing at this time, I strip test every month. I just wish so much I had more resources BEFORE we purchased her. I wish I would have had this wonderful group of people to talk to prior to getting a puppy! Bella is my first dog and she has taught me so much about Basenjis and dogs in general. The Basenji Slaves on this forum have taught me so much about the breed and breeding issues, they have much insight and experience that I value. So IMO if you want to "rescue" a pup, then check out some young Basenjis on Petfinder or a Basenji rescue group. I am talking from the other side here and still agree with previous posts about BYBs. And I definitely do NOT think they are saying any of this to be mean. We just want what is best for you…
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No, ACA is not better. And yes, that is where Bella's father is registered! WL's Alex (tri-color) is her SIRE. Is this pup she is looking at from one of the WL lines? If so, then I know the luxating patella is in the line, and rumor has it… so is fanconi.:( Bella's mother is KKDK Jammin Jo (red & white).
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Oh, and BTW my baby cost $900.00 as well. Even though she was pet store… they jack the prices up because they think the "puppy bug" will "infect people who see the little cuties!!!:mad: So I get a dog who has a sketchy background and health history and unfortunately supported the puppy mill and BYB industry.:mad::mad::mad: I wish I had known then... But I do love her dearly.
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The puppy's parents are called Poker and Dandee so this looks like a repeat of a previous breeding.
Posted with Cuttiepie's permission:
Notations: Texas Wallering Poker is not regsitered with the AKC but all of his ancestrors are. Texas Wallering Poker, his parents, and his grandparents are all registered with ACA. Sandy Dandee is registered with ACA. Her parents are not registered. Her grandparents are unknown.
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Comparison of Bella's pedigree:
with Poker's pedigree:
KKDK Wallering Wally and KKDK Jammin Jo are siblings. WL's Aubrey and WL's Ashley are siblings.
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So is that better? Also if found a breeder named tammie wade. She is selling b's for 400 to 500, fanconi tested.
That would be Top Dog Basenjis, Bloodhounds, Coon Hounds… another pure for profit breeder. Add to that if you read her web site, she charges $100 if you want your puppy tested, interesting that the test only costs $65.00. I would not consider her a responsible breeder either....
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Any idea where all these WL lines came from. I know Bella's father may have been sold at an auction. The KKDK line I didn't know too much of until just now… Funny thing is, I just got word of someone in my state of WV breeding a WL dog. His name is WL's Todd. Bella's breeders were in Oklahoma, quite a distance!!!
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Well Hestekin is a well know pure for profit breeder of many breeds, that sells to anyone with no spay/neuter contracts…. and without health testing. And talk about over price for the puppies... wowzer.... hard to believe anyone would pay their prices... of course by the time they are 4 to 6 months old and no longer cute babies.. the price is seriously reduced....
In that pedigree, Jack IV is by Dallers Zoo-Loo goes back to a heavy Fanconi line on the top side
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Well Hestekin is a well know pure for profit breeder of many breeds, that sells to anyone with no spay/neuter contracts…. and without health testing..... In that pedigree, Jack IV is by Dallers Zoo-Loo goes back to a heavy Fanconi line on the top side
You are referring to the KKDK side, then…
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Any idea where all these WL lines came from. I know Bella's father may have been sold at an auction. The KKDK line I didn't know too much of until just now… Funny thing is, I just got word of someone in my state of WV breeding a WL dog. His name is WL's Todd. Bella's breeders were in Oklahoma, quite a distance!!!
WL's Todd is sired by Hestekin Hills Dynamite Tom, out of WL's Taylor D and that bitch on the Dam's side goes back to a Fanconi Affected dog by the name of Hofer Zipper. Hofer was known puppy mill now out of business with heavy Fanconi and Hip problems
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Its amazing what info is on the net now.
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So for Hestekin both the WL and KKDK are his main Basenji lines… Where is Hestekin located???
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Any idea where all these WL lines came from. I know Bella's father may have been sold at an auction.
The very simplistic answer is that the WL dogs are coming out of puppymills the reason why they are spread so far across the country is because they are being sold in Pet Stores and at auctions. There are so many because mills and BYBs will breed a bitch every heat cycle in order to make their money. Since these dogs are often living with multiple breeds, in close quarters the basenji girls will cycle more than once a year and be bred every time to churn out puppies irregardless of the toll it takes on them physically.
It is even more sickening to see people then post on websites like PuppyFind that they "saved" these dogs from horrible conditions only to continue to breed them and further tax their over stressed bodies.
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Yes, Lisa, it is sickening!:mad:
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So for Hestekin both the WL and KKDK are his main Basenji lines… Where is Hestekin located???
Eau Claire, WI
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If you guys know any tri males for a reasonable price let me know.
Check this little guy out:
http://www.basenjirescue.org/DOGS/TX/TX-Banksy.asp
He is quite a distance away, but you were flying to get the other one… Of course you would have to fill out an application and be open to have a BRAT volunteer visit your home. He is young and handsome!!!
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It is even more sickening to see people then post on websites like PuppyFind that they "saved" these dogs from horrible conditions only to continue to breed them and further tax their over stressed bodies.
Lisa…I agree so much with this. When Cutie posted that their pup's "breeder" had saved the 3 basenjis from the puppymill, it broke my heart to read that they had been rescued from a horrible, filthy situation, only to be put back into service. The whole puppymill/byb situation is just so sad.
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Cuttiepie - there's a reputable breeder in KY that has two adult females he wants to rehome - one is a tricolor. Information is listed under the "Rescues and homes needed" section.
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Cutiepie - just my 2cents, but there has been a lot of good advice given here. I lost my 1st B when he was barely 6, & it broke my heart. The 2Bs I now have are 5 & 6. They are rehomed, retired show. Both are fixed - & I'm not into the puppy/training thing. They are both great companions & I wouldn't trade them for any other. They've only been with us since Sept/08. When you ask about price, in Canada avg puppy price (reputable breeder) is 950. To me, price should be last consideration to a healthy well tempered dog - no matter what breed. Again, just my 2cents.
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It's ok. This is the first time I have actually bought a puppy from a breeder. Last time I had a dog I got her at petland…
Sorry, but you are going to the same source… these kind of people are what supply to Petland.
Out of 3 years of Basenji litters i have only had one puppy that had a slipped disk. The rest have been very healthy and passed all health exams. You will get a copy of the health exam when you get your puppy. Feel free to ask any more questions."
Well, the first Khani's Basenji litter was in 1969… there has NEVER been a slipped disk... and in a freakin puppy?? Sorry, that is a MAJOR SERIOUS issue.
Three weeks ago I made the flight reservation, puppy carry on, and the days off I needed. If she is an irresponsible breeder I can't help it. I decided to get him before I came on this forum. I just wanted to talk to people that are aware with basenji's. I found this forum by pure luck. I talked to a breeder near me, and she didn't have any puppies at the time, so I went for the second choice. I need an companion in my life, and I know I am not a breeder, or have an experience with this breed, but in my gut I just have this feeling that everything is going to work out ok… Like I said I am meeting her at her house, and looking at things and what not.
You just want a companion?
You could care less if it ends up unhealthy with serious issues??
Please go read this thread:
http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=4937.
Although I have never lived with a dog with hip dysplasia, subluxating patellas or the like, I have lived with both blind and fanconi-affected basenjis.
I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
Some days are good, some days are not.
The not-so-good days can be so bad that you may wish to never have another animal again.Quite frankly, it doesn't appear that you have seriously looked that hard for a puppy. I know that if you just did a google search, you would find MANY breeders that have had and still do have puppies available.
I know that I am not the only one here, or listed with BCOA that has puppies now, as well as a litter in whelp.Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
