Menopause vs Basenjis - PLEASE READ my story! This is very important!

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    @Quercus:

    That is really interesting…it looks totally like a thyroid condition, but that makes sense..since thyroid, reproductive hormones and metabolic issues are all connected. I wonder if the AVMA has sent out a bulletin or something about this to their members...seems like it might be a good idea, so they can catch it right away...

    I agree. I will be reporting it to the FDA and the specialty vet is working on a report for a vet convention in Canada, too. I'm going to tell anyone who'll listen! ;)

    Sadie

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  • nobarkusN

    Sadie,
    I would hurt to send blood samples to Dr Dodds or OFA for a full thyroid check. Most vets cannot perform the more complete test.

    Buddy, Paolo and Dan

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    @nobarkus:

    Sadie,
    It wouldn't hurt to send blood samples to Dr Dodds or OFA for a full thyroid check. Most vets cannot perform the more complete test.

    Hi Dan,
    Who is Dr Dodds and the OFA? (color me BLOND! teehee)
    Sadie

    Sadie

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  • nobarkusN

    Dr Dodds does the more extensive thyroid test in S. CA at the lab, Hemopet
    http://www.hemopet.org/

    OFA (Orthopedic Foundation for Animals) does the Fanconi DNA testing we all get and they will help you with the thyroid test too. They have a list of approved labs.
    http://www.offa.org/thy_labs.html

    You would need to get the blood drawn and shipped from your local vet to either of these labs. They provide complete instructions for you and the vet on what to do.

    Buddy, Paolo and Dan

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  • QuercusQ

    @nobarkus:

    Sadie,
    I would hurt to send blood samples to Dr Dodds or OFA for a full thyroid check. Most vets cannot perform the more complete test.

    I agree; if nothing else, I am sure Dr. Dodds would love to learn more about this phenomenon

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • MacPackM

    Maybe vets, like human docs, start along one diagnosis track and are so focused they don't think outside the box. In retrospect, all that you say, eeeefarm, makes perfect sense! Especially both dogs being involved. Note to vets, bald dogs belonging to 40-ish females: check hormone levels!

    So goad you have an answer at last, hopefully they will be furry little critters soon!

    Anne in Tampa

    Chipley, Missy & Lucky

    Topper, Nicky & Eddie in the clouds

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  • tanzaT

    Very interesting and does make perfect sense… I am glad now that I went through menopause "naked".. so to speak. However it was not fun....:(

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    Thank you everyone…......especially Anne "my new best friend" in Tampa who suggested that I might only be 40-ish!!! :) hehe

    Sadie

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  • agilebasenjiA

    WOW - thanks for sharing. I wonder about people babysitting small children, does it rub off on them? I'm guessing it rubbed off on the dogs, or were they licking you?

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  • eeeefarmE

    Just for interest sake, I ran the scenario by my niece, who is a vet. She knew about the connection…...and would have nailed it. Nice to know she is on top of things like this.

    "In order to get along with a Basenji, you have to be at least half as smart as the dog!"

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  • C

    Topical human hormones and animals was mentioned in this

    thread

    Hope I did this right.

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  • nobarkusN

    Read this article.
    http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=15950

    Buddy, Paolo and Dan

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    @nobarkus:

    Read this article.
    http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=15950

    I read this one earlier today, Dan. Scary, huh?!

    Sadie

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    @eeeefarm:

    Just for interest sake, I ran the scenario by my niece, who is a vet. She knew about the connection…...and would have nailed it. Nice to know she is on top of things like this.

    GOOD FOR HER!!! Wish she'd been my vet!

    Sadie

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    @agilebasenji:

    WOW - thanks for sharing. I wonder about people babysitting small children, does it rub off on them? I'm guessing it rubbed off on the dogs, or were they licking you?

    In the articles I've read so far it CAN affect children. I'm still trying to find out if it can affect other adults….like my husband!
    And, yes, it must have rubbed off on my dogs.....because they do not lick my arms. I pick Haley up twice a day to give her pills because she has Fanconi. I do not pick Prince up, but I've noticed that when I lay on the bed to pet him I am touching him with my forearms and hands. The specialty vet and articles that I've read site dogs licking the area though. That's definitely not the case with my dogs.

    P.S. I rarely wear anything with sleeves since I live in Mesa, Arizona.....my arms are almost always exposed!

    Sadie

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    Did you all get a chance to look at the pics I posted earlier of Haley and Prince? Pretty dramatic, huh?!

    Since I'm around them practically 24/7 I don't always consciously SEE how bad the fur loss is…..........but when I look at them in pictures, I get really upset!!!

    Sadie

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    @CongoMama:

    Topical human hormones and animals was mentioned in this

    thread

    Hope I did this right.

    Interesting thread, CongoMama! I doesn't say if she ever figured out her puppy's problem or what it was. Even though the post is over a year old, I still sent her a message about it. Hope I hear back from her! Thanks!

    Sadie

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    @CongoMama:

    Topical human hormones and animals was mentioned in this

    thread

    Hope I did this right.

    Interesting thread, CongoMama! I doesn't say if she ever figured out her puppy's problem or what it was. Even though the post is over a year old, I still sent her a message about it. Hope I hear back from her! Thanks!

    Sadie

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  • DebraDownSouthD

    @SyberSade:

    Hi Dan,
    Who is Dr Dodds and the OFA? (color me BLOND! teehee)
    Sadie

    You will get more credibility by using the OFA recommended labs than Dodds. I would contact the company and demand reimbursements for your veterinary costs. Please make them act responsibly!

    What I don't get is why his testosterone would go up with your spray, which is only estrogen. High estrogen levels actually decrease testosterone. If you find out what the cause is, can you let us know.

    I know estrogen can cause havoc. I use the patch and I make sure it is in a container in the trash safe from the dogs. Do not flush your patches folks–- they end up in our water as filtration, not so good at removing estrogen. :(

    I am glad you found out though. Now they can begin to regrow their hair.

    Debra

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  • SyberSadeS
    First Basenji's

    @DebraDownSouth:

    You will get more credibility by using the OFA recommended labs than Dodds. I would contact the company and demand reimbursements for your veterinary costs. Please make them act responsibly!

    I've thought about that! I did just read an article about a woman who did contact the makers. They told her to submit her $600 worth of bills to them and they would consider reimbursing her. In the end they DENIED the reimbursement. I'm not one bit surprised by that! And my bills have got to be quite a bit more than that….especially because I have TWO dogs affected! I've asked our specialty vet to put me in touch (if possible) with the other people in my area who's dogs were exposed. One of them had THREE dogs.....all greatly affected! Maybe we can do something as a group?!

    What I don't get is why his testosterone would go up with your spray, which is only estrogen. High estrogen levels actually decrease testosterone. If you find out what the cause is, can you let us know.

    It was not his Testosterone that was high….it was his Progesterone. I will have the vet explain the connection to me later and "report out"!

    I know estrogen can cause havoc. I use the patch and I make sure it is in a container in the trash safe from the dogs. Do not flush your patches folks–- they end up in our water as filtration, not so good at removing estrogen. :(

    Great reminder for everyone! Use great caution with these hormones….....even if we cannot SEE them they are still be there......and they are POTENT!

    I am glad you found out though. Now they can begin to regrow their hair.

    I cannot wait to see them with fur again!!!!

    Sadie

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