@jengosmonkey
LOL this is a really important convo to be having! I'm honored that it takes place on my thread 😆 and yes, I absolutely agree with the points y'all are making.
People do need to know where their pups are coming from and whether they were responsibly bred. To think of it coldly, I wouldn't buy a house without looking into its history and possible problems, or I might face ridiculous stress, expense, and emotional trauma from subsequent issues that come up later. As a consumer, one should do their homework not only on the breed but on the breeder.
A breeder who produces puppies carelessly is basically a horrible human being in my book. It was a huge, thoroughly thought out moral decision for me not to adopt but to buy a purebred puppy, as I've worked with rescues before. I took this step with the possible goal of being a custodian. If a breeder is irresponsible in all the aforementioned ways, not only are they producing dogs with a higher possibility of suffering, muddying this ancient breed, and swindling people, they are needlessly taking potential homes away from dogs that need one AND frequently causing dogs to be abandoned! If there weren't any PMs or BYBs, imagine how many people would get schooled by rescue folk and responsible breeders into taking dog-parenting seriously before they ever took one home!
Sorry for the rant; I COMPLETELY understand the internal screaming that happens within some of you when you find out a pup is from a mill or crap breeder. If people like you and I keep yelling about it, we will change a few minds, which make all the difference to a few dogs which is better than no dogs 🙂
Hello Basenji Family
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Carlo's maybe your not aware that all dogs don't need to be bred. There are many homeless basenjis. Check out www.basenjirescue.org
to see some of those who have fallen it rescue. There are many more not listed.
There is a very strong code for ethical breeders..one point is that they take a dog back they breed at any age and at
anytime.
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Ok Please Relax Guys.
We are not doing this for money we just want to honor and extraordinary dog and friend by having one of his sons.
May sound stupid for some of you but we think, dogs like humans have a soul and they can influence people in a good way; the soul and personality of this dog really moves our lives. he is very special.One more time we respect all opinions and understand the problem with the genetics. we promes to have done the test he is missing before breeding.
There is the pedigree
HIS FULL NANE IS SIMBA DE LEALTRUSS LOC. 47937
His Father is YULARA DE AZENDA LOC. 44914/ RXI= RXD=
His Mother is UGANDA EN-SWAHILI LOC. 42826/ RXI= A -
Thank you guys
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Ok Please Relax Guys.
We are not doing this for money we just want to honor and extraordinary dog and friend by having one of his sons.
May sound stupid for some of you but we think, dogs like humans have a soul and they can influence people in a good way; the soul and personality of this dog really moves our lives. he is very special.One more time we respect all opinions and understand the problem with the genetics. we promes to have done the test he is missing before breeding.
There is the pedigree
HIS FULL NANE IS SIMBA DE LEALTRUSS LOC. 47937
His Father is YULARA DE AZENDA LOC. 44914/ RXI= RXD=
His Mother is UGANDA EN-SWAHILI LOC. 42826/ RXI= ADoesn't look like any heath testing as been done and the pedigree is incomplete (can be seen at http://www.pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com/search.html). Most likely because he comes from Columbia. It would be good to have the complete pedigree and it would be great if you sent it to Sally Wallis at sally.wallis@btopenworld.com
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But breeding a litter usually produces more than 1 puppy. It means producing 4-6 puppies just so you can get 1 and there may be no boys so if you have your heart set on a son, you may not get that so then what?
You will have been responsible for bringing these lives into this world and should then be responsible for them until they leave this world. IMO, stud dog owners are responsible for the pups their males produce. Are you willing to step up and take care of the pups if the dam's owner cannot or will not? Finding committed life long homes is no easy task and with the economy as it is, it has been particularly hard for breeders to find good homes.
There are many factors to consider before breeding a litter.
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Hello Simba's person. I can tell you love Simba very much, and he is a very beautiful dog. But again, it is hard to know for sure about his genetic soundness, temperament, etc. just from pictures alone, which is why everyone here is going to ask you for his health tests and pedigree. The basenji breeders who speak up on this forum have done a lot to try to improve the overall breed, inside and out, and it is always devastating to hear of haphazard breeding that sets back the efforts of those who are trying to do right by the breed.
I don't know if we can change your mind about breeding your dog here, or at least convince you to do it in a responsible and ethical manner. Please be aware that anyone with a bitch that would be willing to breed to your Simba, at this point, is not someone who has the best interests of the breed in mind. They might see your dog and agree that he is beautiful, but because he has no record of health testing, everybody is taking a risk with the health of the puppies. You might not be doing it for money, but the OTHER person might. Please don't do something that you will regret in the long run, or create misery for a dog that you helped bring into this world.
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Full pedigree
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Lots of Fanconi in that pedigree. You should really get your boy DNA'ed regardless if you breed or not, but certainly if you find a bitch to breed. That along with Hips, eyes, patellas, thryoid at the very least. That would go for the bitch also.
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Ok thank you one more time for the info Pat
This week I'm talking to my dog's vet to get the tests he is missing
My Wife and I appreciated all the comments,
After reading all, She is considering to Buy a Female to Breed Simba and if We can't found a home for the pups, we will be Responsible for all of them.
We will make sure the bitch has all these tests as well.Thank you and best regards.
Carlos Andres Perez
CUSTOM CONCRETE DESIGNS
www.cretepolishing.com
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Ok thank you one more time for the info Pat
This week I'm talking to my dog's vet to get the tests he is missing
My Wife and I appreciated all the comments,
After reading all, She is considering to Buy a Female to Breed Simba and if We can't found a home for the pups, we will be Responsible for all of them.
We will make sure the bitch has all these tests as well.Thank you and best regards.
Carlos Andres Perez
You Vet doesn't do Fanconi DNA. You order the cheek swab and do the test yourself. Order from http://www.offa.org/dnatesting/fanconi.html
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Oops…Pat posted at the same time with the same information! :rolleyes:
Your vet cannot do the Fanconi DNA test...that is a kit that you must order and send back. Go go http://www.offa.org/dnatesting/fanconi.html for complete information and to order the kit.
I'm not sure what's involved in the other tests, so I don't know if the vet can do those, either…more experienced people on this site can give you more information on how to properly proceed in getting them done.
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This is a test worth every penny they charge. I will look forward to hearing your lovely boy shows clear.
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Vets do all the others. The tests are sent off for results for hips (to OFA), lab for Thyroid, your local Vet can do Patellas. Eyes are done by a specialist, ask your regular Vet for a referral.
Forms are at www.offa.org for Hips/patellas and Thyroid
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Thank you, we have and eye specialist where we can take him to, she has done two surgeries to my Chinese sharpey before, and
my Vet helped me getting him the DNA test, I'm going to talk to her this week for Simba's.Carlos Andres Perez
CUSTOM CONCRETE DESIGNS
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Thank you, we have and eye specialist where we can take him to, she has done two surgeries to my Chinese sharpey before, and
my Vet helped me getting him the DNA test, I'm going to talk to her this week for Simba's.Carlos Andres Perez
CUSTOM CONCRETE DESIGNS
www.cretepolishing.comCarlos,
Your Vet can't do the DNA test for Fanconi. You must order the DNA cheek swab from OFA at the link I gave you and make payment. Then when you get it, you just swab his cheek and send it back to OFA in the supplied envelope. -
Welcome to you and Simba. You've been given very good advice from the previous posters and I'm pleased that you're willing to take the advice.
I have bred many beautiful and handsome Basenjis but quite a lot of them have never been bred, I like your philosophy about dogs' souls but it's important to remember to do the very best we can for those souls.
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Its very easy to order the fanconi test on line. I am looking forward to hearing about your results.
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We appreciated the information.
Carlos Andres Perez
CUSTOM CONCRETE DESIGNS
www.cretepolishing.com
