Also, it may be a mill. there are alot in WI. But you have to remember, how are we to stop if we just come at them with agression. There needs to be proof, picures and such. How are we to stop it if we just badger them.
Next time be kind, get in with them and see the real truth. Then fix it…..
Also, it may be a mill. there are alot in WI. But you have to remember, how are we to stop if we just come at them with agression. …
Next time be kind, get in with them and see the real truth. Then fix it.....
Steph,
Who came at them with aggression? People asked questions, and gave advice, and expressed hurt at the used of a venerated kennel name.
Then, after over a month of no responses from the inital poster, mentioned to you that their ad had several warning signs of a puppymiller/BYB.
I'm not trying to be argumentative. I am honestly asking, because I don't see what could come off as aggressive to the initial poster.
I can understand you being upset at being called "folks like" in reference to people who can be sucked in by a puppymiller/BYB without us really knowing you well. That was regrettable, but I'm sure Belinda didn't mean any harm by it.
Except that - what else would you change to make it so that we came off less aggressive, yet still got the point across well?
I would still invite you to come to some of our BCOSW events. We really are a great group of people, and you will get to meet tons of breeders and basenjis right in your area.
-Nicole
Next time be kind, get in with them and see the real truth. Then fix it…..
The posts that I saw asked them to comply with the forum rules, asked about the use of a kennel name that is associated with a well respected historical figure in the breed, and asked about specifics of their litter(s). I don't see people being harsh. I do see the conversation jumping around a bit but that is a frequent occurrence in forum threads.
How can any "see the real truth" if they cannot ask questions and the person has not complied with the posting requirements of the forum?
"i am looking for a very specific pup."
"I am not buying a puppy….. "
Just confused. :o
@AJs:
"i am looking for a very specific pup."
"I am not buying a puppy….. "
Could be just referring to a dog as a "pup". They are still puppies inside at times, right? 
Steph, there are so very bad breeders out there. BUT, I have had the pleasure of knowing MORE good basenji breeders. I suggest you touch base with someone who does basenji rescue in your area. * WE know who are good folks and who aren't*
Cause, we p/u the "litters" the bad ones produce. I agree, that what I read was not
harsh, just asking questions.
If a person claims the dogs are fanconi free, and are called to answer questions on that, it don't seem mean to me…just seeking more info.
not trying to pick a fight with you, honestly, this is just my point of view.
I think many of us have educated new basenji folks into the inforamtion they should have gotten when they p/u the dog from the pet shop...
When you know better re dogs and breeding and rescue, you do better.
Again, I hope I give no offense.
It has been interesting watching this thread. No, I am not a puppy mill. We had first hand experience with a Basenji and year and a half ago (our own) and love our Roxy. When we were looking for another one, we had a very difficult time finding another one. Possibly not looking on the right sights but be that as it may, we also had a number of people interested in one due to their experience with our dog. That is when we decided to breed on a very small scale. We had one litter last year, which all new owners are very happy with their puppies and we stay in touch with the owners. This year we had two litters and that is the most we will have at any time. Both litters have the same sire and both dams and the sire have been Fanconi tested which can be seen on the OFA site. We have had them vet-checked and the puppies are vet-checked as well as shots given and dewormed. All puppies are in our home and well socialized. They are not left to be in a crate. We've seen the lack of social skills this causes. Our puppies are socialized with other dogs as well. I haven't put up the additional information as one of the questions asks the weight of dog(s)/puppies for sale. That is rather hard to do with growing puppies. As I stated before, two of our dogs already had registered names when we bought them and therefore we meant no dishonor by simply retaining the names. We are new to the breed but are enjoying it and are enjoying meeting people who love them as much as we do. I am not on this forum often but I did want to make some clarifications. I will get more information up as soon as possible.
Choosing not to comply with Forum rules because you can't answer one question is not a good excuse. You continue to say your dogs are Fanconi tested and yet still have not given their names so that information can be verified on the OFA website.
Lisa,
They did give the name of the stud and one bitch.
Roxandsweet -
barkless and non-shedding are a pretty deceptive way to title an ad. While basenjis don't bark, they are far from mute, and they definitely shed, although maybe not as much as some other breeds.
I am willing to give new breeders a chance, but that ad has a lot of the hallmarks we tend to look for in a puppymill/BYB.
No testing info on the ad. No names and pedigrees of the sire and Dam.
Bitch shown pregnant or heavily lactating, because in many puppymills, the bitches are never not pregnant or lactating.
I am not saying you are a puppymill, I am just pointing out where the assumption came from.
Since you are here, I am hoping that you will take advice given, like Kathy's advice on getting hips and eyes tested on your dogs in addition to fanconi.
I also hope that you are taking responsibility for any dog you have bred for the life of the dog, and making sure that it is in your contract that you must be given back any dog you bred if the buyer cannot keep it for any reason for the dog's entire life.
-Nicole
Roxandsweet,
Please edit your initial thread to comply with our forum guidelines and use our For Sale posting format described in For Sale/Waiting List Post Rules: Read First otherwise this thread will be removed.
Regards
Roxandsweet.
If you love your dogs as you post, then this is the place to learn how to care for them, and to care for the puppies they produce.
By not giving the info ask about by Alex, several times, it just doesn't make us
believe your words. At least I feel that way.
Here is the information requested]
ke basenjis
Hillsboro, WI
Dam: Sweet Pea of the Congo AKC - 21 lbs.
Sire: Black Devil of the Congo AKC - 27 lbs.
7 puppies
1 tri (m)
3 B/W (1 F, 2 M)
3 R/W (3 F)
Dam: Roxy - 17 lbs.
Sire: Black Devil of the Congo AKC - 27 lbs.
6 puppies
2 Tri (f)
4 R/W (1 f, 3 m)
All adults have been Fanconi tested. Both dams are clear and Black Devil (Zeke) is a carrier so puppies could be only carriers or clear.
Our experience has been that Basenjis do not bark. That in no way implies they are mute. They have great personality and "talk", depending on the particular dog.
Prices range from $425 - $725
Puppies will be released starting at 10 weeks
We will ship in the continental U.S. but will also deliver a reasonable distance.
Photos can be seen at Photobucket Search "sweetroxy_2010".
If more information is needed, please contact me at 262-470-4182.
Thank you for giving this inforamtion to the forum.
Actually you still have not complied with the listing requirements. You have not given current age of the pups. Even better giving their birthdate so no matter when someone views the thread they can figure out their age. You also did not answer if they AKC registerable.
It is probably easiest to use the Listing Format given by the Forum owners. Here it is in again.
Your name:
Your city, state:
Your phone numbers/email:
Basenji(s) For Sale:
Age of Basenji(s):
Current weight of Basenji(s) for sale:
Weight of Basenji(s) parents:
Parents health tests:
Registration if any (AKC, Basenji Clubs, etc):
Price:
Age when puppies will be ready to be taken home:
Do you ship your Basenjis:
This has been a most interesting yet frustrating experience. Here goes again!
ke basenjis
Hillsboro, WI
262-470-4182
Puppies born 12/20/09 (registerable)
Dam: Sweet Pea of the Congo born 12/15/05 AKC registered (21#)
Fanconi clear
Sire: Black Devil of the Congo born 1/23/04 AKC registered (27#)
Fanconi carrier
1 tri male
2 B/W males
1 B/W female
3 R/W females
Puppies born 12/23/09
Dam: Roxy born 1/15/07 (17#)
Fanconi clear
Sire: Black Devil of the Congo born 1/23/04 AKC registered (27#)
Fanconi carrier
2 tri females
1 R/W female
3 R/W males
Puppies range in price from $425 - $725
Puppies will be released to new homes starting at 10 weeks of age
We will ship puppies in the continental U.S. but will and prefer to deliver within a reasonable distance.
Pictures can be seen by doing a Photobucket search for "sweetroxy_2010".
We are showing current pictures of both females. We have had the trindle for 1 1/2 years but this is the first time we have bred her.
If there are further questions, please contact me. I believe I have listed the information just as asked!
I was just curious why each puppy is a different price?
male vs. female
registerable vs. non-registerable
different colors
male vs. female
registerable vs. non-registerable
different colors
Interesting, responsible breeders don't price according to color or sex. And AKC frowns on the practice of charging more for the papers, as do responsible breeders.
