Thanks for your advice!
The Girl from Wimauma
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Robyn is right, early socialization in this breed is a must. Have you talked to her breeder about her, since if I am reading this right, she came from a different breeder? Did you meet that others in the litter or the Sire and/or Dam? What were they like? If she is growling over "items" then I would say she is resource guarding. There are lots of threads on the forum about resource guarding if you seach for them.
I think this pup is one of the Wimauma FL BRAT rescues.
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I think this pup is one of the Wimauma FL BRAT rescues.
Well that makes perfect sense…. and yes, it will be a challenge for them and require, I think, lots of work to resolve the issues if it is resource guarding.
Again there are lots of threads here about that subject.
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Am I reading you right, she growls at you when she and your male are in dispute of an item?
I would make sure they are seperated when there are bones/food around, and if its a toy, make sure there are 2.
If its your lap, I would walk away and ignore until the dog sees that its not getting what they want.
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They are very pretty dogs
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I had the opportunity to work with Bibi while still at the shelter. She was a lovely, assertive, dominant little leader (at 3-4 months), all of the other 4 pups her age deferred to her. She was the first to take a bit of food from our hands, and acted like a little princess! Remember that she was feral for the first 3 months of her life so had NO human contact, hence her ability to be great with dogs but wary of humans.
For her, any low flying bird, or a lizard, was her meal for the day…if she was lucky. Sharing meant starving. She was a real life "Survivor" and I am certain that if they had not been confiscated, she would have grown to be one of the leaders in that pack of 30-odd basenjis. She isn't your normal 'slightly dominant' basenji, and I imagine she still has some distrust of humans. I would suggest that any toys or treats be given separately, with lot of positive praise and treats for good behavior. I'm guessing that she is more food motivated than praise motivated!
She is beautiful and a very special basenji. Try to see things from her eyes, by no means accept bad behavior, but you may get some insight into how to change or at least divert her "energy". I have not read many behavioral books, but have read a couple by Dr. Patricia McConnell and find her approach to difficult dog issues to be open and insightful and would highly recommend her. Again, Isis will likely not be motivated by the same things that motivate other dogs, you may have to work to find the groove with Isis!
Good luck, looking forward to photos. All of this "breeders" basenjis are huge, a good 2 to 4 inches taller than most of our basenjis. Maybe we have a new "Giant" version of the basenji.
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Glad you are working with Pam, she is excellent with these dogs. Isis may just be working herself into your household and does not want to be "low dog".
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Anne, what lovely advice! I love to read your posts and how you spread optimism, sprinkled with common sense and love. Thank you for being here for us!
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MacPack, that was really interesting. Thank you for sharing.
And OP, welcome and please keep us updated. We will all be cheering from the sidelines, as it were.
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How about feeding her from the humans hands…that will teach her quickly that humans and their hands bring good things...so don't use a bowl to give her food..feed her from your hands.
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I agree with Sharron - hand feeding is a method I've used when having dominant adopted dogs. Having read the background of these Wimauma Basenjis I can understand her feelings and actions.
I am so thankful that there are people like yourself who are caring for these dogs now.
I also agree that Patricia McConnel's books are very helpful and I always now recommend them to friends who are interested in behavioural issues.
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With these b's they need to learn that hands only bring good things.
So, food is the way to most b's hearts.
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Where in Florida are you? We have a group that meets up on Sundays here in Tampa, would love to meet Isis, all grown up!
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Good morning! I am the owner of Kizzie which is Isis's (previously Bibi) sister . I sure am sorry to hear you are having some behavior issues with Isis. However I think that is extremely typical Basenji fashion for the Alpha dog. It sounds like she is just trying to set the pecking order. I agree with all the other post's to seperate them for food/treats/toys. At least until she gets more comfortable. Kizzie is on the opposite side, her personality is very shy and timid. She is doing great with our older basenji Pikachu. Pikachu is the alpha dog here and does not hesitate to let Kizzie know. The other part of the equation is that this herd survived because of the "survival of the fittest" that is also why they are larger dogs. They weeded out the smaller ones. If you haven't already talked to her foster "Mom" , Susan - I would do so. She fostered both Isis and Kizzie since February. We were lucky enough to meet and spend time with her. I know for sure that they were around other basenjis during the foster period. She may be able to suggest some ideas and give you some insight. I know she said Isis was more socialized than Kizzie. However I do not think Isis was the alpha dog at the foster home. She is trying to see how far she can push you and what she can get away with. Just make sure she knows you are the alpha of the herd and she has to respect your boundaries! *(easier said than done!) when dealing with a "B".
We have settled into a nice routine with Kizzie, including am and pm walks. She has not had an "accident" since arriving in our home and today is a week. (great job and thank-you Susan!) Each day is a tiny step towards her becoming more comfortable with us, our home and Pikachu. Oh did I mention I have 3 cats? The funny thing with these "B"'s is that they take to other animals (including the cats) quicker than they take to humans. We also have stairs and that was a first for Kizzie. She is doing great, is a quick learner and is very smart (in my humble opinion). She is just starting to "play" with her toys and she enjoys being brushed. She has slept in our bed since the first night. Pikachu does not mind letting her know that she intends to take the "best" spot in the bed, but they have worked it out nicely. Patience,baby steps, and lots of TLC will lead to a happy ending for all!
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Kizzie and her sister Isis. Isis has the black on her face.
Trish:)
First picture is Kizzie with her new "sister" Pikachu.
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Hi! Thanks for all the advice. We need all we can get now:-) It took us til midnight to get Isis in the house (with a nice cheese rind)! But we did. She stayed inside at night ever since we got her (a week now). During the day she still prefers to hang outside in the fenced back yard. We bring her in to cool off from time to time.
Unfortunately, we are very far from you guys, about 3,5 hours from Tampa. Getting Isis last Sunday was a whole day ordeal.
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I took Kizzie and Pikachu to a small local dog park today and Kizzie had a blast. She played with all the other dogs and ran around like her tail was on fire. She is one very fast Basenji!! The only problem was when I went to leave, she did not want to be put on her leash. So, Pikachu and I just walked toward the gate and she followed. When we got to the "staging" area, she decided that she wanted to come with us and allowed me to put her leash on and get her loaded in the truck. We had a great time at the park. Maybe next week, we will try a bigger dog park with more dogs. This park only had 5 or 6 other dogs for the 2 hours we were there.
Kizzie doesnt seem to have the growling issues that Isis has, she is very gentle with food and toys. We can move her or take them from her without any problems. The only problem she has is being really shy with people, but she is taking small steps everyday.Joe and Trish
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As you are having such a time getting Isis into the house (again, the outdoors is normal and comfortable for her), you might try leaving a thin leash or rope attached to her collar, it makes it much easier to catch a wild beastie to be able to get 5 or 6 feet behind her and have a leash to step on or gently grab.
A friend who took in a semi-feral basenji almost 2 years ago left a 30 ft training lead on her at the dog park for quite a while. It didn't bother her at all, she could run with the pack but her mom could get her. She graduated to a 6-ft leash for a few weeks, then was used to coming when they were ready to leave. All this with supervision of course, might get tangled if unattended.
Sorry you are having a hard time, sometimes it is several weeks before dogs settle in together.
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I am so happy to hear that both Isis and Kizzie were adopted as were so many of the other Wimauma pups.
Over a year ago, we brought in another b to our home as a playmate for our girl Kona (1.5 year-old). Keoki, male, was 7 at the time. At first he wanted nothing to do with her. It took them a couple months to be comfortable together and at that point he would "tolerate" her with mild annoyance. We had some trouble with growling and snarling, but like everyone says - positive reinforcement and lots of attention. It took a full year for Keoki to adjust to Kona and play with her. Now we can't keep them apart or slow them down!!Sometimes it just takes time and it is so worth it once they bond!!!
Hang in there and congrats on your new addition!!
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Perhaps Isis is getting to much freedom. We are only letting Kizzie off leash in our fenced yard if we are right there to keep on eye on her and interact. Since these "B"s are very food motivated, I am using the tiny training bits as a reward. She gets a reward when she comes to me, etc. Otherwise for regular potty breaks I take her in my fenced yard- on leash. The twice a day walks are a great time to bond also, she knows when it is walk time and her and Pikachu patiently wait at the door for me to get them ready. I spend a lot of time with her just talking to her, brushing her and petting her. She has a blanket that she knows is hers. When we are watching tv she sits on her blanket at our feet. She will hang out on the couch or bed but only if we pick her up and put her there, she is not getting up by herself, yet. We also put her blanket on the bed so she has "her spot". I think the blanket (a nice soft fleece) is her "safety" zone, regardless of where I place it.
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Isis has made wonderful progress. Honestly, I think she was just backed into a corner when she was snarling after the toy fight. She doesn't know how to back down.
We have been feeding them by hand one on the left and one on the right. We have not had a repeat of any snarling. I can take food away from her.
She and the boy sleep with our 7 year old daughter. We are going to go with the lead.
She had her first outing. She went on a walk in down town Jensen beach. We had lunch at a little Tiki bar, then went to a park on the Indian river and to the beach. No problems whatsoever.
Pam wants to take her back to work on the aggression, bur really it has stopped once we modified our behavior. She is a very sweet dog.
Her and our male have a blast in the back yard.
