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[pedro]

do you mean sire's used afor as inbreeding.

[lvoss]

Frequently used sires refers to breeding. AKC requires that any male dog that produces 3 litters in a calendar year or 7 litter in a lifetime to have a DNA profile on record with AKC.

[tanza]

@pedro:

do you mean sire's used afor as inbreeding.

No, it means that the registery that he is registered with was set up by a bunch of different "for profit" breeders that did not want to conform with AKC's policy for breeders that do "many, many" breedings with the same dogs, year after year after year, as in Puppy Mill breeders. They are required to do DNA parentage testing with AKC, but they did not want the cost of the DNA tests cutting into their profits. Has nothing to do with inbreeding, it means that they just pump out puppies to sell for a profit.

[pedro]

wouldnt'i have other litter's information if J'Sblazing glory had other litters!???? specialy if i did a 5 generation of my boy.!?

[lvoss]

No. APRI does not make that information public. Pedigrees only show direct ancestors, they do not show offspring.

The only way that information is shared is if the owners of dogs from those litters choose to make that information public. Such as sharing their Dog's Name, Registration Number, Date of Birth, Color, Gender, Sire, and Dam so it can be included in Sally's pedigree database so everyone has access.

[lvoss]

Mar J's Blazing Glory sired at least 2 other litters, both AKC registered. Your dog's litter is not in the database and who knows how many others may have been sired but no one with offspring has submitted information.

Histyle whelped at least 1 other AKC litter. Again, she may have had more litters but no one has submitted the information to be included in the database.

[tanza]

And in looking at Mar J's Blazin Glory, he is really well line bred back to Bojak's Undercover Kojak. Just look at the pedigree at Queen Katie of Wolf Creek who is in the pedigree three times, his Sire's grandfather's Dam, His Sire's grandmother's great great dam and in his Mothers (Misty MNTS Miss Munchkin) she is her Dam. And she goes back to Bojak's Undercover Kojak, so the pedigree is really load on the sires side with possible Fanconi.

On your pups Dam side it is all Puppy Mill breeding with no health testing.

[Patty]

Tanza,if the required tests are done can a dog on the APRI registration be transferred to the AKC? Just interested.

[pedro]

please dont'say that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i looked up every single dog name on this pedagree and i got nothing in information!!. bojac's undercover kojack was a carrier!. that don't me he has it! i even talked to the owner of bojack's !. and he was breed with a dog that was labeled clear!. and you can do this from what i'm told! and that would have the disease!. that it has to be possitive fanconi to carrier, or carrier to carrier.!

[tanza]

@pedro:

please dont'say that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i looked up every single dog name on this pedagree and i got nothing in information!!. bojac's undercover kojack was a carrier!. that don't me he has it! i even talked to the owner of bojack's !. and he was breed with a dog that was labeled clear!. and you can do this from what i'm told! and that would have the disease!. that it has to be possitive fanconi to carrier, or carrier to carrier.!

Where did I say that he had it? I was pointing out how many times in both sides of the pedigree that one dog goes back to Bojac's Undercover Kojack.

Please read a bit more carefully, my exact word were "the pedigree is really load on the sires side with possible Fanconi.

[tanza]

@Patty:

Tanza,if the required tests are done can a dog on the APRI registration be transferred to the AKC? Just interested.

No they can not, the litter must be registered with AKC in order to register the pups as AKC

[pedro]

ohhhhh , sorry ! im reading to fast.!! i just hope he's not positive or a carrier!. i'll die if he is either one.! i just took him down to the dog park and he got in a fight! THIS BREED IS MEANER THEN SH``!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE VERY STUBORN WHEN THERE IS A DISLIKE OF A NOTHER DOG!!!!. THISHAS NEVER HAPPEN TO ME BEFORE!!!!!. THEY WILLNT BACK DOWN EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1.

[lvoss]

@pedro:

and he was breed with a dog that was labeled clear!. and you can do this from what i'm told! and that would have the disease!. that it has to be possitive fanconi to carrier, or carrier to carrier.!

For the breeding in your dog's pedigree this is not correct. Bojak's Undercover Kojak in your dog's pedigree was bred to Undercover's Christmas Carol who is not tested. One dog from that litter is tested and is Fanconi Affected, Undercover Tri-Star Onyx, which means Christmas Carol was at best a Carrier.

[pedro]

Hi got a little scrch under his eye but he got the inside of the other dog's month!!. I should of named him bruno!!.

[tanza]

If a carrier, he will not come down with Fanconi. Based on his pedigree I really think you would be better of to just neuter him and have a great family pet. And especially if he is fighting already at his young age. Remember, intact males fight and most dog parks do not let in unspayed/neutered dogs for just that reason.

[pedro]

Hi, i was told that even if both parents are carriers'that it don't always mean's that they are fanconi affected! Or was i told wrong!!????

[pedro]

He got in a fight because the other dog came at him to fight him!!. He's going to defend him self but i had to stop it!!. He doesn't start any fights! And this is his first 1 !

[pedro]

Sorry tanza my computer is goofing up here i just got what you wrote after i sent you that!

[tanza]

@lvoss:

For the breeding in your dog's pedigree this is not correct. Bojak's Undercover Kojak in your dog's pedigree was bred to Undercover's Christmas Carol who is not tested. One dog from that litter is tested and is Fanconi Affected, Undercover Tri-Star Onyx, which means Christmas Carol was at best a Carrier.

He was also bred to Viento's Grace of the Jungle (untested) and one dog from that litter tested Affected and one as a carrier. So that means that Grace of the Jungle was at best a Carrier

[lvoss]

It is true that two carriers can produce Affecteds, Carriers, and Clears. So even if your dog's parents are both Carriers he may not be Affected. His fanconi status though is only one small part of the picture though and not reason enough to keep him intact.

The reason neuter him is that aggression is often aggravated by testerone so if he showing aggression and fighting with other dogs that is likely to escalate without you intervening. Neutering will lower the hormones and help but he also sounds like he is in dire need training. Also, breeders have worked really hard to improve temperament in this breed. There is no reason to breed a dog that is exhibiting temperament issues.