13 week old puppy on Craigslist

[dmcarty]

At the risk of angering many I just HAVE to say this - As time goes on - I come more and more to believe that as long as we (responsible breeders) continue to 'rescue', save, rehome the leavings of BYB, PM and irresponsible people we are providing a market and 'solving' their problem. In the meantime - those of us who are reputable and take our animals back when situations change - produce fewer pups because we have no homes because people get from rescues which get their dogs from BYB and PM.

It is not a coincidence that after the big Kansas City Rescue 6 years ago - many breeders stopped breeding or bred fewer litters - and I'm one of them. There were so many dogs in the 'pipeline' that I referred several people on my waiting list to these rescue dogs from a 'collector' so no puppy homes there and I ended up keeping several from that litter because of that. Those rescue dogs ended up being more work than they thought so couldn't take a 2nd dog or so fearfull that some needed to be put down and they didn't want a basenji after that. So instead od dogs from responsible folks what is out there is in shelters or rescue groups and NOT from those of us who have spent many years - raising with love and care - a healthy and quality product.

I have done rescue myself and I feel for these poor dogs BUT soon that will be the ONLY place to get a dog and I don't think that is what we should be striving for. I am not being critical of those who do rescue - but take a second and consider the unintended consequence of rescue.

[Lauma]

If any of you have followed my journey to cure my older Basenji lady of her seizures, she had been perscribed Phenonbarbital, but I couldn't keep her on "therapeutic" levels because she was too doped up and wasn't herself. I finally found a great vet after a lot of searching and she prescribed Zonisamide which (so far) has worked great: no "dopiness" and NO seizures! I will say this much: my little girl is definitely a Senior (between 12 - 14 years old) and she may have a tumor or some other condition. That said, I don't want to put her under the knife and her current quality of life is fantastic: she is sassy and bosses her junior Basenji boys and naps and play as she pleases. The occasional seizures she has suffered have been about once a month for the past year and they last about 2 minutes. Since she's been on the Zonisamide, she has had no seizures and no side affects. I am not saying this is a cure-all, I am just saying this drug was never mentioned to us when she first started having seizures and for us it has been a blessing.

[Lauma]

Well, you definitely have a valid point. I think the message is: "consistency." I think that is what we can expect when we get dogs from reputable breeders. That said, I have two rescue dogs and two breeder dogs. I love them all the same and I may favor my rescued dogs because of the hardships they endured prior to living with me, but the truth is, I can only trust my breeder dogs with, say, little children, etc. because I know the rescued dogs have unknown histories and dislike children and can behave very unpredictably.

All these dogs are worthy of love and we need to rescue and need to keep breeding, but we need to have realistic expectations either way.

[westcoastflea1]

the solution is to get states to ban pet stores that sell puppies. this would cause the puppy mill people to go out of business

people need to start picketing outside pet stores that sell puppies make them lose enough money that they go out of business or stop selling puppies.
the public needs to better informed about what they are purchasing when buying from a pet store

regulations need to be tightened and enforced with stiff penalties for puppy mill people who dont follow the laws
yet…..
i have a foster coming next week who is coming straight from a breeder
brat is taking at least 3 dogs into foster care for adoption from this breeder so....

its not just puppy mill people who cause basenjis to go into rescue

unfortunately none of the above helps breeders now, it will probably be years and years before things change.

why not a major ad campaign from peta shown on national tv and in magazines detailing puppy mills and how the puppies end up in pet stores ?
most people who purchase puppies from pet stores are just ignorant get the word out and they wont buy from pet stores but will go to breeders

but to not rescue b's in need, because breeders cant sell puppies?

i can absolutely understand how breeders could feel this way but i dont think the solution is to stop rescueing b's in need

its just a really unfortunate situation thats needs to changed sooner rather then later

[dmcarty]

Gotta ask - what's with taking them from a 'breeder' - unless someone reputable has had some issue where they cannot - I cannot think of one basenji person who would not take their dogs back in a heartbeat.

[westcoastflea1]

dont know
i just got an email asking me to foster a dog coming from a breeders home
at least two others from the same person are being put into foster care as well

[dmcarty]

As I said - if there is a health or personal issue - I can see it - but …....

[tanza]

@westcoastflea1:

dont know
i just got an email asking me to foster a dog coming from a breeders home
at least two others from the same person are being put into foster care as well

And not all breeders are responsible…. if they are BYB's they are not going to be responsible.... So don't lump all breeders into one basket. Responsible breeders take their pups back, no questions asked... unless there is a health or another good reason. And in that case, provided the problems are not totally financial, they should put up money for the dogs care.

[dmcarty]

My point exactly - BRAT and I had a 'difference of opinion a few years ago over lumping all 'breeders' together' If it is a real breeder in trouble - lets help - if it's a BYB in trouble - I believe we need to help each other before we help puppy mills and BYB.

[westcoastflea1]

shes a real breeder not a backyard breeder im told she has health issues cant handle the dogs shes keeping a puppy

[dmcarty]

I hope that she contacted some of the rest of us - we always try to help each other out.

[westcoastflea1]

i dont know who she may have contacted
i dont believe shes a member here so she may not have known of the support she might have found here.

im looking forward to meeting bunny next week (name is definitely going to be changed)
shes a 4 year old tri who is being spayed next week had at least one litter
shes a counter surfer, spends alot of time in her crate, doesnt know how to walk on a leash or let her people know when she needs to go outside so im sure ill be here looking for support from all of you to help prepare her for adoption

[agilebasenji]

@westcoastflea1:

shes a real breeder not a backyard breeder im told she has health issues cant handle the dogs shes keeping a puppy

why, if you had health problems, would you keep a puppy (instead of an older, easier dog) ? Bless you for helping her out though.

[lvoss]

I think Diane means the rest of the basenji breeder community, not neccesarily this forum. If she is a responsible breeder, involved in the basenji community, the community would step up to help her out if she let people know she needed the help.

[westcoastflea1]

lots of breeders on this forum which is why if she was a member she may have found help here rather then going thru the rescue
not sure why the east coast basenji breeders werent able to help but maybe she didnt ask
not sure about the puppy thing either im sure there must be a good reason, personally i wouldnt give up an adult bonded dog to keep a puppy but…

[dmcarty]

I can't imagine that a responsible breeder would have a dog that spent all it's time in a crate and couldn't walk on a leash - either.

[sharronhurlbut]

I am glad someone is going to meet this b and help her out.

[Heinz57]

I've seen "BYB" a lot around here. What does it stand for?

[westcoastflea1]

yes it should be fun, i hope

hoping that "the dog doesnt know how to ask to go outside" doesnt mean she isnt housetrained ):

she is crate trained so that will be a plus if there are any problems, not that i ever needed to use a crate with my first b but…. from what ive read on this forum it might be a useful tool

hopefully i wont be housebound with her like i was with sebastian

just hoping that she will enjoy lots of time at the dog park, sleeping in my bed, getting to go for walks etc etc

since she is a tri im hoping lucy or lola will work for a name

lucy like in charlie brown? dark and a tomboy with an attitude

while bunny is a nice enough name i just cant see myself at the dog park calling for bunny

im assuming from what little info ive gathered (breeders first name) that she is from the kenset line
anyone know anything about those bs?

[nomrbddgs]

BYB is Back Yard Breeder.