@venserro - Please be sure to check out pedigrees and also health testing, you should always check that out for yourself... I always refer anyone interested in Basenjis, including my own breed to Ofa.org to review DNA testing... you can look for responsible breeders at www.basenji.org and you would be better looking at the Pacific Northwest...pleaseask for references and for sure health testing.
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Basenji Puppies for Sale Ovid, MI
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Have the puppies been born yet? What sex and colors did she have?
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She had the puppies on Dec 12. 4 males and 2 Female. The females are red/white. 2 of the males are red/white and 2 males are black/white. I didn't think it was possible to have black/white unless one parent is black/white. At least that's what I have read anyway I could be wrong. The mother is brindle/white and the male is red/white.
All of the puppies have a full white collar and white on their face from their noses to between their eyes. And of course they have the white feet/belly and tips of tails. They went yesterday to get their dew claws taken out.
The mother did wonderful and she's doing good.
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She had the puppies on Dec 12. 4 males and 2 Female. The females are red/white. 2 of the males are red/white and 2 males are black/white. I didn't think it was possible to have black/white unless one parent is black/white. At least that's what I have read anyway I could be wrong. The mother is brindle/white and the male is red/white.
All of the puppies have a full white collar and white on their face from their noses to between their eyes. And of course they have the white feet/belly and tips of tails. They went yesterday to get their dew claws taken out.
The mother did wonderful and she's doing good.
The 'blacks' are most likely tri or trindle, and their tan parts will show up later. You do have to have a black parent to get a black puppy.
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How much later may I ask?
We had 1 tri 2 years ago and we could tell right way, her cheeks and eyes were already red. We also had 2 extemely dark brindles last time as well but we could still see the color difference. I thought it was pretty crazy. Every thing I read points to not possible.
I'll keep you updated if any color changes.
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How much later may I ask?
We had 1 tri 2 years ago and we could tell right way, her cheeks and eyes were already red. We also had 2 extemely dark brindles last time as well but we could still see the color difference. I thought it was pretty crazy. Every thing I read points to not possible.
I'll keep you updated if any color changes.
Usually within 5 to 7 days you will start to see the eye "pips" on a tri… and/or Trindle
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I see you did the dew claws, did you send for the fanconis test?
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How much later may I ask?
We had 1 tri 2 years ago and we could tell right way, her cheeks and eyes were already red. We also had 2 extemely dark brindles last time as well but we could still see the color difference. I thought it was pretty crazy. Every thing I read points to not possible.
I'll keep you updated if any color changes.
My tri pup was obvious right away. But I have heard of others that didn't show for several days. Also if they are trindle, you could have stripes in the red so it would look much darker.
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Thanks a lot.
No I have not done the test yet but I did contact the owner of the mother of my litter. She has both parents of my female–she said that they have been tested and neither have it.
I've read you can test their if their is sugar in their urine and if there is not then they don't have it. And the urine should be tested monthly and if it shows up then to get them tested. Is that true? Either way they will be tested way now that I have read more about it and am more informed.
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Thanks a lot.
No I have not done the test yet but I did contact the owner of the mother of my litter. She has both parents of my female–she said that they have been tested and neither have it.
I've read you can test their if their is sugar in their urine and if there is not then they don't have it. And the urine should be tested monthly and if it shows up then to get them tested. Is that true? Either way they will be tested way now that I have read more about it and am more informed.
It is true that if you "strip" test the urine monthly you can tell if they have Fanconi on that day, however that is not the same as the DNA test that will tell you if they will get Fanconi… Since we now have a DNA test all breeding considered should have Fanconi tested DNA before the breeding takes place. That way you know if there could be Fanconi produced in that litter and NOT do the breeding... because now there is no reason to ever produce a possible Fanconi affected Basenji.
I would guess that the people that have the parents of your bitch have only done the month strip test, but not the DNA test.
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Thanks a lot.
No I have not done the test yet but I did contact the owner of the mother of my litter. She has both parents of my female–she said that they have been tested and neither have it.
I've read you can test their if their is sugar in their urine and if there is not then they don't have it. And the urine should be tested monthly and if it shows up then to get them tested. Is that true? Either way they will be tested way now that I have read more about it and am more informed.
This is not true. Urine testing only tells you the dog's status on that day and tells you nothing about whether it will produce the disorder since carriers will be unaffected but can produce the disease. You must do the DNA Marker Test to know if your dog carries the gene to produce the disorder. Also, since the disease is late onset, the dog or its parents may not yet be symptomatic but could still be affected.
If your dogs' parents are not in the OFA database as tested, http://www.offa.org, then they have not been tested and you need to order test kits for your dogs. https://secure.offa.org/cart.html
One parent must test Probably Clear to ensure that none of your puppies will ever be Affected. If neither parent is clear you will need to test all the puppies before placing them.
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Please, be more responsible than the folks who sold you the dogs you have…Test your breeding pair and test the puppies.
It will keep you informed if your dogs will become ill.
It will also tell you if your selling sick puppies.
IMO, in this day of lawsuits, its only smart to be sure you disclose to the buyers of your pups the status of their health.
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I guess i have my answer to the question you didnt want to answer for me… no the parents weren't tested. I guess you really do get what you pay for. Stacey from sarnia
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I'm sorry but I have been nothing but honest with everyone from the start. I told you from the start there were other prospective buyers, and in my email I told you they had not been tested.
The buyers that I chose have experience with basenji's by owning them and understand what it takes to own one. I have apologized multple times for not allowing you to buy one of my pups there is nothing more that I can do.
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Basenji experienced people accepted that they were untested?
Regardless, seems like it was probably easier for you to go with the people who weren't giving you grief about that.
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I'll just reiterate what Sharon said…. in this day of litigation, you're really leaving yourself wide open for trouble later on. Now that there is a test for this (and in the grand scope of things, its relatively inexpensive), there is no reason you should be passing Fanconi on to further generations.
Thousands of breeders & owners have undergone the tragedy of Fanconi without fully being able to predict or understand its transmission. Now that there is a test, it is the responsible, and HUMANE thing to do.
If you knew you had a genetic disease & you knew you could have a test to determine if you would pass it on to your human children, would you leave it to chance or get the test done to prevent possible years of suffering and financial strain? -
not allowing me? Never mind no harm intended, i prefer to know about the puppies future
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not allowing me? Never mind no harm intended, i prefer to know about the puppies future
Not trying to add fuel to a fire here but from what I have learned since being a part of this forum it is up to the breeder to decided what is best for the puppy; from what I have read on this post it seems that Thegriffswife is trying to learn and become a responsible breeder you have to respect her decision on whether or not one of her pups is suited for you and your situation. Bravo to thegriffswife for trying to do that.
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Yes, I do agree that breeders do decide what is best for the puppies.
BUT quality breeders or anyone who had a litter for that matter, are responsible for the dogs they produce.
They SHOULD care about the long term health of the pups and be accountable.
I am taking about legally be responsible, as I have little doubt most people who have puppies do love them…BUT its more than that.
They are selling a product and in the country, if you get something defective and you COULD have prevented this from happening, you can be taken to task.
Rehoming puppies to the right home, that is another issue.
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well i was finished with griping about this, as there was alot of details missing in this thread, i wanted a female, and we had spoke of a payment arrangment. i had replied asking about whether the pups were tested to which a response came saying that they were sold and that the males were still available. now because i posted a reply i was suddenly unsuitable? I was simply miffed because i had already let my son know that he was getting a red and white female puppy who he had named, and had a picture of. I truly believe that had we said we would take a male there would be no issue. (and i could post the note if it was really neccesary, ehich i dont believe it is.) nonetheless i decide to do some research here to see if they were tested or posted here, and in fact they were, and in fact they are not tested so we as a family decided to go with a safer choice with regards to health for all concererned so my son would not have to witness life a possibly sick animal. (irregardless of price.) I meant no ill intent or to start a tiff here but the truth of the matter is it was first come fisrt served, on some best buy puppies, with the outcome of thier lives being buyer beware. i have to say thank you to the entire basenji community for putting the information out there about the risks of faconi, which was what gave me a pasue in deciding to place my down payment.
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I can only hope the new owners of these puppies learn about the fanconis test and do it.
Course, if they don't and they breed, well, guess that is where rescue comes in.
SIGH!
