Sorry to change the subject but i was reading this post and had a question when does Fanconi usaully show up ? any age ? or is it when there alittle older ? also is there an age when u pretty much don't need to do the test say for example if ur B is 9yrs or so is it still needed then ? Just thought i would throw a couple questions out there .
Fanconi usually will appear between the ages of 3 and 10, however there are cases of earlier then 3 and older then 10.
I guess we don't consider ourselves breeders because when I think of a breeder I think of a business and waiting lists and such. I don't think of myself as a breeder because this is only the 2nd time our girl has had a litter and we are planning to get her spayed next year. The 1st time she got pregnant was kind of a accident, we knew we wanted to have puppies some day with her but we didn't want them then. We kept the two away from eachother but we were also in the middle of buying and moving into a house. We had a lot of fun with the puppies so we decided to have one more litter. I didn't mean of offend anyone because there is nothing wrong with being a breeder, I think I would like it if I were more serious about it. We only had puppies because we love our breed and want to share them that's all.
I can tell you love your basenjis from your last post.
But now days, you need to do more…
Please, get the fanconis test done before you sell any of the puppies.
It will keep you informed as to the health of the dogs you have, and the pups you have.
We all love b's here.
I do rescue, and I don't breed...but we do have many breeders here and we all want the very best dogs on this earth...
I hope to hear you have decided to have the testing done.
We will all be waiting to find out what you decide.
I think Sharron said it very nicely. And since you do love the breed, I would add another suggestion - have the people who buy your puppies sign a spay or neuter contract. I presume you don't want one of your pups to end up in a puppy mill or owned by a byb. Getting your dogs and puppies tested and requiring that the puppies be spayed or neutered would be some of the kindest things you could do for your puppies. Also, you might ask some of the breeders on this board how they screen their perspective buyers to ensure that they end up in basenji savvy homes.
Pat
Pat, excellent suggestion..blush I can't believe I didn't suggest it, as rescue is my "thing"…laugh.
But thank you.
I am sure thegriffswife can get help from the breeders re suggestions on getting these pups fixes in writing...
Thank you again for this post.
I guess we don't consider ourselves breeders because when I think of a breeder I think of a business and waiting lists and such. I don't think of myself as a breeder because this is only the 2nd time our girl has had a litter and we are planning to get her spayed next year. The 1st time she got pregnant was kind of a accident, we knew we wanted to have puppies some day with her but we didn't want them then. We kept the two away from eachother but we were also in the middle of buying and moving into a house. We had a lot of fun with the puppies so we decided to have one more litter. I didn't mean of offend anyone because there is nothing wrong with being a breeder, I think I would like it if I were more serious about it. We only had puppies because we love our breed and want to share them that's all.
IMO anyone who chooses to breed their dogs is a breeder. Some are responsible breeders, some aren't. When you make the choice to bring life into the world you are obligated to do the very best you can for those babies. I hope you will make sure your puppy buyers are responsible too.
IMO anyone who chooses to breed their dogs is a breeder. Some are responsible breeders, some aren't. When you make the choice to bring life into the world you are obligated to do the very best you can for those babies. I hope you will make sure your puppy buyers are responsible too.
Well said… and add to that ... any pups that you bring into the world you are responsible for their entire lives... good, bad, whatever..... regardless of why someone wants/needs to give up their Basenji, the breeder is responsible to take that pup... no questions asked... and that is usually in the contracts... and should be... (along with spay/neuter).
And to just comment on the "comment" about waiting lists.. that is how responsible breeders decide to breed, they have a list of homes before the breeding is done... not after... and if for some reason the planned litter doesn't work out.. responsible breeders will offer assistance to find another responsible breeder that would have a pup to place... or give the people the option to stay on the top of their reservation list for the next breeding.
Thanks for the answers 
We are not breeders, we had one litter 2 years ago and we decided to have 1 more before getting our female spayed.
If you breed a litter, and this isn't the only one you've bred,
then you are, by definition, breeders.
Test your dogs, spare your puppy buyers the horror of possibly living with a Fanconi Affected basenji.
Been There. Done That.
AM NEVER DOING THAT AGAIN.
Thank god and allah that there is a test that allows us to breed away from this dreaded disease.
re: Pat's comment about 'forever' I have a guy here that is over 14 whose family just decided that their daughters friends coming in throught the gate to the back door - left the gate open and Wilie would go off on adventures. So rather than have the friends use the FRONT door - Wilie came back to me at age 9 . Was it convenient - nope - did I even give it a moments thought - nope - my breeding my responsibility.
Tried to place him a couple of times but - he was 'too old' and no one wanted him. It's hard for him to be one of several rather than have his own heat vent, couch and family but…....
I don´t know how it is in the US but here in sweden you can have two litters after that you have to apply for a kennel name.I agree with the rest please test your dog´s for fanconi it´s the only way we can eradicate this hideous disease that has brought so much suffering to dog´s and distress to their owners.
You mentioned that pup´s are ready for delivery between 6-8 weeks please do not sell the pup´s before they are atleast 8 weeks it´s so important for their well being these last two weeks.
Good Luck with your puppies,Michelle Stockholm Sweden
No requirement in US for application for kennel name… The only requirement would be with AKC and DNA testing for parentage for frequent breeders
We apply and then it takes awhile to get it accepted. In Finland they are even stricter there you have to pass a breeders exam it takes over a year to go the course then the exam and then your´re vetted to see if you pass and there are tough questions about genetics etc….And then you get your kennel name if it doesn´t already exist. As every name goes through the FCI(federation cynologicue International)database to see that no one else has that name like a kennel in brazil.And your kennel application is published in the national dogmagazine for 30 days where people can send a protest if they find your name too close to theirs or something else.
heheh. that sounds so finnish
We apply and then it takes awhile to get it accepted. In Finland they are even stricter there you have to pass a breeders exam it takes over a year to go the course then the exam and then your´re vetted to see if you pass and there are tough questions about genetics etc….And then you get your kennel name if it doesn´t already exist. As every name goes through the FCI(federation cynologicue International)database to see that no one else has that name like a kennel in brazil.And your kennel application is published in the national dogmagazine for 30 days where people can send a protest if they find your name too close to theirs or something else.
I wish the US would do what the Finnish do…. maybe then we would not have as many BYB out there selling
Have the puppies been born yet? What sex and colors did she have?
She had the puppies on Dec 12. 4 males and 2 Female. The females are red/white. 2 of the males are red/white and 2 males are black/white. I didn't think it was possible to have black/white unless one parent is black/white. At least that's what I have read anyway I could be wrong. The mother is brindle/white and the male is red/white.
All of the puppies have a full white collar and white on their face from their noses to between their eyes. And of course they have the white feet/belly and tips of tails. They went yesterday to get their dew claws taken out.
The mother did wonderful and she's doing good.
She had the puppies on Dec 12. 4 males and 2 Female. The females are red/white. 2 of the males are red/white and 2 males are black/white. I didn't think it was possible to have black/white unless one parent is black/white. At least that's what I have read anyway I could be wrong. The mother is brindle/white and the male is red/white.
All of the puppies have a full white collar and white on their face from their noses to between their eyes. And of course they have the white feet/belly and tips of tails. They went yesterday to get their dew claws taken out.
The mother did wonderful and she's doing good.
The 'blacks' are most likely tri or trindle, and their tan parts will show up later. You do have to have a black parent to get a black puppy.
How much later may I ask?
We had 1 tri 2 years ago and we could tell right way, her cheeks and eyes were already red. We also had 2 extemely dark brindles last time as well but we could still see the color difference. I thought it was pretty crazy. Every thing I read points to not possible.
I'll keep you updated if any color changes.
How much later may I ask?
We had 1 tri 2 years ago and we could tell right way, her cheeks and eyes were already red. We also had 2 extemely dark brindles last time as well but we could still see the color difference. I thought it was pretty crazy. Every thing I read points to not possible.
I'll keep you updated if any color changes.
Usually within 5 to 7 days you will start to see the eye "pips" on a tri… and/or Trindle
