Tayda's test strip

[kiroja]

Yep, the home is the most important thing to me too. Why do think I placed Lenny with her in the first place? There was more than just that said, directly and indirectly. Had you bothered to contact me you wouldn't have jumped to the wrong conclusions.

And yes, what I do with my dogs is my choice, so I don't understand why you felt the need to bring up my bitch in a public forum when this discussion had nothing to do with her. Nor was I involved in the thread at that time.

All of the puppies are required to be tested when a full test comes out, no matter the type of home. Those that are intact, all but one are intact for my use only, and should the owners change their mind in the future, breedings have to be cleared through me. In those homes, there is no other intact dog. The one puppy that is in another breeder's home, is to be tested first and should he be a carrier (or IND), is only to be bred to tested clear dogs. There are no serious breeding plans for any of them at this time.

[tanza]

This thread is really about Tayda, not about your breeding or contract practices but that said, I jumped to no wrong conclusions, we were asked on a public forum about contracts and spay/neuter, if you read the thread. The comments made by me and others were our feelings on the subject

[kiroja]

Exactly! This thread is about Tayda, so why did you bring me and my bitch into it? Since you did, I responded.

And the same thing about previous threads. It was about one person and one dog and you continued to bring me and the rest of my dogs into it unneccessarily. You could have certainly been very helpful to the owner without going the route that you did. Things that should have been private. And had you contacted me, you would have realized that a lot of what was being said was innacurate.

[tanza]

@kiroja:

Exactly! This thread is about Tayda, so why did you bring me and my bitch into it? Since you did, I responded.

And the same thing about previous threads. It was about one person and one dog and you continued to bring me and the rest of my dogs into it unneccessarily. You could have certainly been very helpful to the owner without going the route that you did. Things that should have been private. And had you contacted me, you would have realized that a lot of what was being said was innacurate.

Gezzz, Kelli, you are certainly getting pretty defensive? It was a question and since Lenny is an offspring of Cleo, I was really asking Lenny's Mom… Obviously knowing that the sire is clear is great for Lenny, because at worst he would only be a carrier.

About neutering, Lenny's breeder was never mentioned by name in those posts, Lenny's Mom was asking for advise about neutering and the fact that there was a contract, period. My comments were my personal opinion as a breeder and stated that way, as were the others that commented on that thread.

[kiroja]

Again, the thread was about Tayda. Not Lenny. And you already knew that Lenny was at worst a carrier so I don't know why you would bring him into a fanconi discussion either.

Yes, it was frustrating to see false things being said about me, the dogs, or the contract. Sorry, but I guess I expected better of you. No Lenny's breeder wasn't specifically named in that thread, but it was named in other threads and was easy to figure out if someone didn't already know.

I am not going to clog up this thread any further, let's get back to Tayda because that's who it's supposed to be about. If you want to continue this, you know how to reach me.

[JazzysMom]

How about the two of you take this conversation private since no one else is involved in your tiff – and frankly, I barely know what the heck you're talking about, and I read almost every thread. Surely, I can't be the only one.

[tanza]

@JazzysMom:

How about the two of you take this conversation private since no one else is involved in your tiff – and frankly, I barely know what the heck you're talking about, and I read almost every thread. Surely, I can't be the only one.

I agree… my apologies to the Forum

[sharronhurlbut]

No need to for apologies, as a rescue person, I feel folks with intact dogs should have them tested.
Oops happen.
It fine if the oops is with a clear b, but what happens if its not??
Fanconis happens.

[bellabasenji]

Back to the subject… It's kind of funny that I live in WV (probably not the most progressive state in veterinary medicine). Anyways, the first time I took Bella in to see our small town vet & he brings up the subject of Fanconi! I was astounded that he was familiar with it. He knows about testing the urine for glucose and that the condition is not curable, but I haven't thought to ask him about the protocol. I am sure he would be open to it, though... Seems he must be VERY informed in pet health issues! So I guess there is hope after all, even in a small town. Of course he probably doesn't have the equipment for blood gasses, but I am sure another veterinary hospital I know of in a larger town nearby may have the equipment. That vet's office even treats the circus animals when they come to town!

[tanza]

@bellabasenji:

Back to the subject… It's kind of funny that I live in WV (probably not the most progressive state in veterinary medicine). Anyways, the first time I took Bella in to see our small town vet & he brings up the subject of Fanconi! I was astounded that he was familiar with it. He knows about testing the urine for glucose and that the condition is not curable, but I haven't thought to ask him about the protocol. I am sure he would be open to it, though... Seems he must be very informed in pet health issues! So I guess there is hope after all, even in a small town. Of course he probably doesn't have the equipment for blood gasses, but I am sure another veterinary hospital I know of in a larger town nearby may have the equipment. That vet's office even treats the circus animals when they come to town!

And your best bet is to have the DNA test done… then you know where you stand as far a Fanconi goes....

And for many... blood gases can be done at a "human" hospital.... many years ago.. that was our only way of getting them done.

But that is great that your Vet knows and accepts Fanconi... if any Basenji is afflicted

[Robin_n_Jack]

Hey- if you do end up coming up to Tufts, let me know, I work right down the street, and there is a dog park not far, if you want to grab a coffee before the drive home and tire the kids out a bit

[bellabasenji]

@tanza:

And your best bet is to have the DNA test done… then you know where you stand as far a Fanconi goes....

And for many... blood gases can be done at a "human" hospital.... many years ago.. that was our only way of getting them done.

But that is great that your Vet knows and accepts Fanconi... if any Basenji is afflicted

I know the importance, but I have mixed feelings too… I can't let my guard down even if the test shows "no worry". I will still want to strip test anyways for precautionary reasons. And if the test says she may get it, then I will worry like crazy and be anxious about every little thing. If I was a breeder, then absolutely no doubt about it, DNA would be a necessity! But Bella is spayed so that is not an issue... I would recommend the DNA test to all Basenji owners, but ultimately it is their choice. Of course if I were buying a pup from a breeder, I would insist on knowing about their DNA test results for Fanconi. But who am I to speak, I got Bella without research and without knowing about health issues. My hubby was uninformed about pet store puppies... she was a gift chosen by him. However, I want to tell everyone now how wrong it is to go about dog ownership in the way we did. Research the breed and buy from a responsible breeder... Now I know!

[tanza]

My personal opinion… do the DNA test and know where you stand... it is now easier then ever with the swab test... and IMO, well worth the $65 for the test kit and the test...

And regardless where you got your Basenji from... you can now test... and if you have learned more about how to find a responsible breeder, regardless what breed of dog... then those of us that put this information out there have helped people to know how and why to research a breed and health concerns before they decide to get a pup....again regardless of the breed... we know we have done a good job... Education is the key...

[sharronhurlbut]

Yes, education is the Key.
It will give you knowledge if you have a dog who can get sick, or help you realize that your b will not be affected.
Its so worth that fee. IMO

[Tayda_Lenny]

@Robin_n_Jack:

Hey- if you do end up coming up to Tufts, let me know, I work right down the street, and there is a dog park not far, if you want to grab a coffee before the drive home and tire the kids out a bit

Hey Thanks, I almost did drive out there on sunday night before I finally got the appointment with the vet that I did go to. If I do end up out there some day, I'll let you know!

[Tayda_Lenny]

Well day 3 on the protocol and it all seems to be going fine. She gets 4 pills in the morning and 4 -5 pills in the evening. 3 of them i can just toss into her food bowl and she eats them no problem. I think she actually likes them more because she finds them first and eats them before the rest of her food. The other ones, the bicarbonate and the clavamox for her suspected UTI i just roll up into a piece of cheese. I give a piece of cheese to Lenny also and they just gulp it down w/o any suspicions…

Dr. Gonto thinks that the food I'm feeding tayda (wellness core) is too high in protein because her BUN levels are high. He's suggested that I get a food with more normal protein composition - around 18-24% protein, instead of the 34% that the wellness core has, to give her kidneys a little break. i looked back at her bloodwork from our last visit to the vet over a year ago and her BUN levels were high then also....

i'll be anxious to see how her levels are in 3 months when we go back... i might just schedule it for 2 months cause i can't stand the suspense...

[bellabasenji]

I am glad to see that she is doing so well!

[MacPack]

I am glad she is doing well, fingers crossed for many, many great years for her. Thanks to Dr. Gonto, many basenjis have a chance to live a good life with Fanconi. Glad your vet is working with you.

Anne

[MacPack]

You said she takes her pills well, that is great. Basenji Companion web site has a list of things to help with pilling fanconi dogs. With Toper's meds (for asthma) he will get bored with something and suddenly refuse it, so we go on to other yummies.
When all else fails, I put the pill in a dab of ice cream!

Anne

[Duke]

Tayda's a good girl for taking her med-meds. Another idea if she tires with the routine is a dab of baby food meat. My mom's idea worked great with my beloved Rocky a few years back.