I think Tanza was just saying that if you think your boy is small it could be due to his lack of eating properly because you are feeding Euk & several dogs, on this forum, have been allergic to the foods with corn in them. I don't believe she was trying to attack your choice of foods, just offering her opinion. It is difficult, like JM said, to get the proper tone out across via internet but remember to not jump to conclusion about people here who are trying to help answer your questions about weight. My breeder fed Euk, I switched to Blue Buffalo because I don't like many of the Euk ingrediants, including the by-products. My vet pushed Euk because that is what they actually sell at my vet's office! Now that is not to say I don't think people should feed Euk! Just what I decided for my boy who is 4.5 months old. For the same money I find BB to be a better quality food.
Also, we ask EVERYONE who their breeder is because like a few others posted, we have found some of our dogs to be distant relatives! I have actually found my baby's brother via this forum & we have met up for puppy playdates! I have also found several members on here who have distant relatives of my baby. It's just fun to see how many of us on here are "related"
NO, I was not saying that the pup was small because of feeding Euk.. I just made a comment that IMO, there were better foods…. but to each their own as many of us feed the raw diet, myself included... and on some days kibble cause it is easier to travel with. I was asking really how much the pup weighed at 8 wks (and I did make a commment that IMO, wks is a bit early to place a Basenji pup, note IMO) and why they thought he might be small.
In regards to the eye tests... the fact that "I" said "breeders" test... certainly was taken out of context... in the world of breeders (at least responsible ones) it is typically referred to as the breeders test, meaning the breeders "arrange" for the tests, like Eyes, Hips, Fanconi, Thyroid, etc... so if someone wants to try and push buttons, be my guest.. long and short, responsible breeders health test "before" breeding and "before" placing pups. And they discuss with potential owners all the testing done and what they might expect with their pup... and also why they might have bred X to Y even if one of the health tests were not the most perfect results, but that they made a decision that they (the breeder) could live with the results.. (Fanconi excluded)
Many people take exception to questions from some of us regarding health testing and the "lack" of it by BYB and pups coming from PM's. You know what... I don't care, if one person takes the fact that health testing is important "before" the litter is bred and gets a healthly, happy, well adjusted, good tempered puppy in the bargin, then it is worth it....
It is irresponsible for anyone to have bred a litter after July of 2007 without having done the Fanconi DNA test, period.. there is no excuses, no valid reasoning that would make it acceptable.
And yes, many of us have found common Basenjis in our kids pedigrees.. and not only is it fun to find them, but also that if there are any health concerns, we can share those also.
In the end, if pushing about health testing saves on person and/or one Basenji from the heartbreak of something like Fanconi or any other health problem.. then it is worth it....
NO, I was not saying that the pup was small because of feeding Euk.. I just made a comment that IMO, there were better foods…. but to each their own as many of us feed the raw diet, myself included... and on some days kibble cause it is easier to travel with. I was asking really how much the pup weighed at 8 wks (and I did make a comment that IMO, wks is a bit early to place a Basenji pup, note IMO) and why they thought he might be small.
Hey Pat,
Do you have an opinion on any of the freeze dried products for raw diet dogs? I was just wondering for times that I may have to be out of town. I often take the dogs with me, and have no problem packing a cooler for their diet. But I was thinking about it for when I have a puppy sitter that may not be too keen on the raw meat and bones. I have looked into a couple different pre made raw diets for this, but wanted a second opinion from someone who feeds raw.
There has been much and frequent debate and discussion regarding food. Seems everyone has strong opinions. The important thing is to find a food you are happy with. I know that our breeder uses a food that some here disapprove of, but he's been producing high quality dogs with it for over 20 yrs. Sometimes, you just can't argue with success.:)
I also used to feed Eukanuba to one of my dogs. She was on the weight management food. At that time I had my puppy on Purina puppy chow, my adult B on Eukanuba, and my senior mutt on a different food. It was crazy trying to find space to store all the food bags, LOL, so I switched them all to the same food about a month ago; so far so good. They all look fantastic and are very healthy, active dogs. THAT is my concern, as it is for all of us.The breeder name is often a source of curiousity on the forum because many here breed and/or show and have connections with other breeders and/or their dogs. Also, even for those of us that do not breed or show, we do find that many of our dogs wind up being related which is always fun.:D
Thanks for your response. This is not the first time I have run into the food debate. I have to put some faith in Miranda's scientific background, as well as her past work experience. I also know what my experiences were when I raised a show dog of a different breed.
I sure that one of the only things that everyone will agree on in this forum is that nothing is perfect.
Miranda and I are not interested in becoming breeders. We just wanted to give this puppy the same love and care that we give Bonzo our Rescue Terrier, and that we gave Snowy, our American Eskimo. At least we were able to extend Snowy's life 14 or 15 years. I fed him Eukanuba all that time. So we believe that Snowy had a life span of at least 17 years, which I find pretty exceptional. Bonzo has remained very healthy as well. In the 4 or 5 years since I rescued her, I am proud to say she has only had one ear ache we had to deal with. From what I understand, that is a pretty good track record for a Boston.
As I mentioned in another post, Roo, our Basenji puppy, does not seem to have an issue with the food we are giving him. In fact, he is full of energy, playfulness. I am sure he has a little pixie in him as well. We will look after his health as well as we have looked after Bonzo and Snowy's health.
Roo, may just become a great pet, or we may possibly involve him in some agility events. A lot will depend on his temperament, and how well I can obedience train him. I am currently investigating Ceaser Milan's methods because I have great respect for him and I think we are on the same page. I believe a dog really needs to understand the order in the pack.
I feel fortunate that Miranda and I have the time to spend socializing and working with Roo. One thing I am sure of, either we will train him or he will train us.
I did notice that there appear to be some photos of Basenji's walking into a Lake. I am very interested in this because I understand this breed does not necessarily like water. Miranda and I also sail so it would be great to be able to bring the dog with us on the boat if we can get him used to the water.
Jason and Miranda
Hey Pat,
Do you have an opinion on any of the freeze dried products for raw diet dogs? I was just wondering for times that I may have to be out of town. I often take the dogs with me, and have no problem packing a cooler for their diet. But I was thinking about it for when I have a puppy sitter that may not be too keen on the raw meat and bones. I have looked into a couple different pre made raw diets for this, but wanted a second opinion from someone who feeds raw.
I have used them but not often enough to really have an opinion. But the people that I know that have used them, really like them.
Very nice it's a great Idea to have the linkage test done. Though it is not a definite indicator, at least if you get a possibility for Fanconi you prepare yourself for the possibility by having time to more thoroughly research all your options. I can't wait to see pictures of your baby, and your old lady. how are they doing with each other. Good Idea to get him on the same food you feed your girl as soon as possible. I can't imagine having to deal with two separate feeding regimes long term. I only kept Zaire on her kibble that the breeder was feeding her for only like 2 weeks before I switched her over to Charlie's raw diet. Makes things so much more convenient to be able to just feed one diet. I am sure you are already planning on it, but please let your breeder know when you get his Fanconi testing so they can be aware of what their bloodline is doing genetically. Here's hoping you manage to get yourselves some good sleep over the next couple of weeks, again congratulations on your new baby.
Again thank you for your information. Actually the Breeder has already been in touch with us several times on the phone, just to follow up and check on the puppy and us. I think that gesture alone speaks well of him. I do plan to follow your suggestion and let the breeder know what the bloodline is doing genetically. I think you and I are on the same page in a lot of respects.
I have to tell you this little guy is wearing this old man out. When he is not sleeping, we are either playing, or walking. So both of us are getting plenty of exercise. I think Miranda is even running with him. He seems to have taken to a leash and collar very well so far. Whats interesting is my other Dog Bonzo wakes us up at night and in the morning the minute she hears him cry to go out.
Jason
. Whats interesting is my other Dog Bonzo wakes us up at night and in the morning the minute she hears him cry to go out.
Jason
Oh how sweet. The old dogs seem to really know how to become good guardians to the young ones. It always does my heart well to see how the young ones can really bring out some great qualities in the older dogs. Here's hopping to see some pictures soon (that is if you can keep the little guy still for long enough to get the pics <g>).</g>
Jason,
Welcome to Basenji Forums! I remember those sleepless nights too:rolleyes:
They can really take a toll on ya! I am glad to hear that Roo is finally starting to settle into his new home. We would love it if you would share some pictures of your new bundle of joy. We just loooovvvveee puppy pics!
With regards to food, I think everyone has a difference of opinion. I have come across people who swear by certain foods and when I tried them, my boy would not touch it. Basically…if it works than by all means....let em eat it. :o
When we had our first boy, he was thin too. He was quite a picky eater. I swear! I think we spent months trying to figure out why he did not want to eat his food. After months of trial and error, we figured out that he was allergic to what we were feeding him. :rolleyes: We went through a half dozen types of food before we finally found one that worked and of course...I will say that its "the best" but im sure someone will disagree :o
Again, welcome and were happy to have you! Can't wait too see pictures of Roo!!!!!
I started an Album on your forum. His first image should be up there. I have been shooting sports for many years for the local paper, as well as wildlife, models, and other areas of interest.
I will try to get some more images up as he grows. I shoot 8 frames per second outside, so hopefully I will get some pretty good shots.
Jason
Many ask about the sire and dam because we know of health issues that some might not have disclosed to you that could be important to the health and well being of your puppy. As well as to alert you to what testing you may want to consider.
Many ask about food because the food companies have found unique ways to disguise what is actually in their food - For example - one food changed chicken to chicken 'something' which then meant that the first ingredient was actually more water than chicken. These are things that we all watch and we offer these observations - and to new people - all at once which can be be difficult to process.
We have learned that getting information up front so decisions on what may need to be tested for can be made in a proactive manner is more useful than people contacting us to late for us to provide direction.
If we are guilty of anything here - it is that we care passionately about the breed, it's health, well being survival and each other.
I look forward to seeing picture - we all love pictures
He looks so cute in your avatar! I'm dying to see the little guy!
And yea I forgot to mention, I certainly remember the sleepless nights while crate training Dallas only 2ish months ago. They were very exhausting! Just a tip I got from here that helped: try warming up his blanket/bed that he sleeps with at night. It will help him fall asleep quicker 
Also, go out & buy a huge stuffed animal to stick in the crate with him to keep him company. I got Dallas a "crate buddy" upon suggestions from individuals on here & I swear it was the smartest thing I have ever done to improve my sleep! LOL. He's had his crate buddy now since his second week with us & sleeps on top of it every single night. Also, when I stick the crate buddy in there [we named him Ted] he knows that it's time for bed so he now goes in to his crate, lays down on Ted & sleeps soundly Hope that helps some!
NO, I was not saying that the pup was small because of feeding Euk.. I just made a comment that IMO, there were better foods…. but to each their own as many of us feed the raw diet, myself included... and on some days kibble cause it is easier to travel with. I was asking really how much the pup weighed at 8 wks (and I did make a commment that IMO, wks is a bit early to place a Basenji pup, note IMO) and why they thought he might be small.
In regards to the eye tests... the fact that "I" said "breeders" test... certainly was taken out of context... in the world of breeders (at least responsible ones) it is typically referred to as the breeders test, meaning the breeders "arrange" for the tests, like Eyes, Hips, Fanconi, Thyroid, etc... so if someone wants to try and push buttons, be my guest.. long and short, responsible breeders health test "before" breeding and "before" placing pups. And they discuss with potential owners all the testing done and what they might expect with their pup... and also why they might have bred X to Y even if one of the health tests were not the most perfect results, but that they made a decision that they (the breeder) could live with the results.. (Fanconi excluded)
Many people take exception to questions from some of us regarding health testing and the "lack" of it by BYB and pups coming from PM's. You know what... I don't care, if one person takes the fact that health testing is important "before" the litter is bred and gets a healthly, happy, well adjusted, good tempered puppy in the bargin, then it is worth it....
It is irresponsible for anyone to have bred a litter after July of 2007 without having done the Fanconi DNA test, period.. there is no excuses, no valid reasoning that would make it acceptable.
And yes, many of us have found common Basenjis in our kids pedigrees.. and not only is it fun to find them, but also that if there are any health concerns, we can share those also.
In the end, if pushing about health testing saves on person and/or one Basenji from the heartbreak of something like Fanconi or any other health problem.. then it is worth it....
Miranda and I certainly understand the importance of health testing, and we certainly do not dispute it. I think once you make your point, you have made it so its time to move on.
I assure you we certainly did not take anything out of context that you have typed. Maybe you typed your sentence incorrectly in regard to the eye tests performed, and who performed them. All I did was provide the proper information that I knew existed from my previous experience showing and raising a different breed. Its not about pushing anyones buttons, its about providing useful information properly as well as accurately.
I do not see any point in debating this issue any further.
Miranda and I are very fortunate because if needed, we are very close to the University of IL Vet School and Hospital. We know the Fanconi test will be sent off to Missouri. While I have not investigated yet, I will find out what tests can possibly be performed at the U of I.
Well, glad that you cleared up…. and glad to know that you are going to look into health testing, as it it just as important for a pet as it is for a breeder.
I have to tell you this little guy is wearing this old man out. When he is not sleeping, we are either playing, or walking. So both of us are getting plenty of exercise. I think Miranda is even running with him. He seems to have taken to a leash and collar very well so far. Whats interesting is my other Dog Bonzo wakes us up at night and in the morning the minute she hears him cry to go out.
Jason
LOL, welcome to life with a Basenji 
Prepare to be either sleeping, playing, walking, or running for the next 15 yrs or so. :p
He looks so cute in your avatar! I'm dying to see the little guy!
And yea I forgot to mention, I certainly remember the sleepless nights while crate training Dallas only 2ish months ago. They were very exhausting! Just a tip I got from here that helped: try warming up his blanket/bed that he sleeps with at night. It will help him fall asleep quicker
Hi Nina, We purchased Roo a crate buddy the night we picked him up. We put a towel in his crate and make sure we check it often. Actually Roo's crate buddy is an Ostrich with Rope legs and big eyes. Roo seems to like to pack with it quite well. I also purchased an extra crate toy that is a long grey Rabbit he seems to like as well. We did this just in case we need to wash his Ostrich. We had a rope toy he seems to like, and we bought one of the hard rubber chew toys to help him with his teeth and gums.
We have not named his crate buddies yet but it sounds like a very good idea. I went to pet smart and found a pad that is machine washable and seems to hold heat quite well. Since we are in the midwest, the temps just started warming up. It was in the 30's at night when we first got him so I purchased a small sweater to keep him warm. He seems to sleep in that just fine.
Miranda and I take him with us in the crate if both of us have to go anywhere. He has adapted quickly to riding in the car. I occasionally put Bonzo in the same room so she can play with the puppy and continue to teach it manners. Of course I have the pee problem during play time, but from what I am reading this will go away with age.
Jason
I started an Album on your forum. His first image should be up there. I have been shooting sports for many years for the local paper, as well as wildlife, models, and other areas of interest.
I will try to get some more images up as he grows. I shoot 8 frames per second outside, so hopefully I will get some pretty good shots.
Jason
I tried to go see your boy's photo in the member gallery, but all I got was an empty album – I looked in the member gallery under comicdon -- am I looking in the wrong place. {It's entirely possible that I am completely missing the obvious -- that's sort of a gift I have :rolleyes: }
I tried to go see your boy's photo in the member gallery, but all I got was an empty album – I looked in the member gallery under comicdon -- am I looking in the wrong place. {It's entirely possible that I am completely missing the obvious -- that's sort of a gift I have :rolleyes: }
Try this link, it was probably a my mistake when I originally set up the album.
http://www.basenjiforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2155
Yesterday I got one of the ramps out that I use to load my riding lawn mower in to my trailer when I need to take it for service. Roo adapted to it right away and now he likes to walk up and down and play on it.
I will build him a makeshift teter taughter next and see how that goes. After yesterday we can see that his name is appropriate. He jumps around like a baby kangaroo. Of course he is named after the baby Kangaroo in the Winnie the Pooh Series. We found a package of 5 superballs for a $1 yesterday, and he seems to love chasing those. Actually yesterday night, he slept for 6 hours for the first time since we had him.
When he work me up this morning, I opened his crate, and he shot right out. I put his food bowl down, and he ate more aggressively than I had seen him do since we brought him home. After he emptied the bowl, I took him out for a bit, and then back in and we played a little. Then I took him back out, and for a long walk up and down my street. When he came back in, it was the first time I ever saw him run into his Kennel while a person was in the room, and lay down and go to sleep. He is also learning to sit as I put on his leash, make him wait to come in the front door, and then take off his leash when we get to his kennel area. So far in my opinion, he is showing great intelligence, playfulness, and a willingness to please us.
Jason
Instead of a teeter or in addition to, you may want to build a wobble board. These are great for teaching pups to get used to surfaces that move and they can move in any direction and the board moves. I used this with my last litter and they loved it and my girl Sophie has been absolutely fearless about all the agility equipment.
Instead of a teeter or in addition to, you may want to build a wobble board. These are great for teaching pups to get used to surfaces that move and they can move in any direction and the board moves. I used this with my last litter and they loved it and my girl Sophie has been absolutely fearless about all the agility equipment.
Great suggestion and wonderful Idea. Its probably a better choice than I would have made for him. Also thanks for the link on how to build one.
Jason
