Hello,
I recommend reading:
Early Kidney Disease - Difficulty Getting Her to Eat
at https://basenjiforums.com/topic/15616/early-kidney-disease-difficulty-getting-her-to-eat/13
What may guide your path:
Kidney values relative to normal.
Is there proteinurea?
For homemade, read DogAware and accompanying websites.
Good luck!
Bones?
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You'll find conflicting information regarding dogs and bones (cooked, raw, chicken, beef, etc etc). Some vets think they are okay, some don't. It's just like the age old rawhide scenario. EVERY bone has the potential for complications, but more vets see complications with cooked bones versus raw bones. You're not going to find any one answer to your question.
Perhaps the best answer would be to talk to YOUR vet who knows YOUR dog and ask him/her. Some dogs do fine, and, while researching your question, I found that one person who fed her dog the 'right kind' of bone spent tons of money having a piece of bone removed that had lodged in her dog's esophogus.
In general, I found that the larger the dog, the larger the risk because larger dogs are more aggressive chewers which makes them more likely to break a smaller chunk off of a bone and swallow it. Splintering bones or not. Any bone can break into fragments. It's not so much the sharpness of the fragment as it is the size of the fragment and how long the stomach acids take to digest it. Longer digestion leads to intestinal blockage (possibly) Larger fragments, if swallowed, can get stuck in the throat or teeth and some dogs even break teeth on bones.
I give my B rawhide, but I fear bones and won't give them to him. I can't really afford to spend 1000's of dollars on surgery. It's just a risk I prefer not to take.
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Never cooked bones, ever… that is what splinters... any raw meaty bones are fine... and as Nina said, warming them up with be a special treat, but do not cook them...
If you can get the butcher to find you brisket bones (beef) they are great for dogs... a friend in Australia on another list gets them for all his B's... and turned many people on to them here, however to find a "real" butcher that processes the entire steer.. is pretty far and few around here.I have given mine all of the following... chicken backs, chicken necks, chicken wings (and turkey too), lamb (they love the riblets), and Beef ribs, knuckles, soup bones.... ... I have never done much pork... and all of the above were raw... as in not cooked at all... and they eat it all, meat, bones... everything...
Thanks! Now…. I'm going to print all this out so I don't forget it....again.:rolleyes:
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You'll find conflicting information regarding dogs and bones (cooked, raw, chicken, beef, etc etc). Some vets think they are okay, some don't. It's just like the age old rawhide scenario. EVERY bone has the potential for complications, but more vets see complications with cooked bones versus raw bones. You're not going to find any one answer to your question.
Perhaps the best answer would be to talk to YOUR vet who knows YOUR dog and ask him/her. Some dogs do fine, and, while researching your question, I found that one person who fed her dog the 'right kind' of bone spent tons of money having a piece of bone removed that had lodged in her dog's esophogus.
In general, I found that the larger the dog, the larger the risk because larger dogs are more aggressive chewers which makes them more likely to break a smaller chunk off of a bone and swallow it. Splintering bones or not. Any bone can break into fragments. It's not so much the sharpness of the fragment as it is the size of the fragment and how long the stomach acids take to digest it. Longer digestion leads to intestinal blockage (possibly) Larger fragments, if swallowed, can get stuck in the throat or teeth and some dogs even break teeth on bones.
I give my B rawhide, but I fear bones and won't give them to him. I can't really afford to spend 1000's of dollars on surgery. It's just a risk I prefer not to take.
Thanks; nothing is ever easy is it?
I give mine rawhide also, knowing there is some risk but have never had a problem….. I also know there's a risk in their stuffed toys, bedding.... everything has some risk.
I think I could give Keoki a rawhide as big as his own head and he would finish it off in two minutes:D .. I am looking for something that will occupy his time for a bit longer than that. He's not interested in Kongs, so those are out. I also buy beef tendons from my vet and those take a while to get down, but I want more options. I'm hoping bones will help....
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I get the beef femur (leg) bone (it's a thick bone) and I tell my local butcher to cut it into 2-inch sizes (I usually get no more than 2 of these)… I boil them first then give one per day to my B (gotta keep her nice figure
)... She loves it and it keeps her busy for awhile... But I also make sure I keep an eye on her until she's had her fill and her jaws get tired... Then I throw away the bone she just gnawed... I don't keep it around 'coz it gets dirty and ants will eventually swarm on it... -
You are right about Vets… however many Vet (and I think we have had this discussion before on the forum...) don't know that much about foods... just look at what some "push" in their offices... and yes many Vet will have a fit about raw food diets...
There are many, many raw diet lists out there if people are interested... and like I said I do give mine raw meaty bones, so does lvoss... I have never had a problem, nor have I ever known anyone that feed raw have a problem.. but then again, anything/anytime can happen. -
Exactly my point. It's really a choice each owner has to make. I chose to do the rawhide thing, knowing the risks, but not the bone thing. Tucker can't miss what he's never had.
One thing that all of the online resources agree on is the recommendation that you keep an eye on your dog while gnawing whatever bone you choose to give them. Obviously if you hear the telltale crack and see splinters fly everywhere, you want to keep your dog from eating them. The splinters/fragments are really the only issue with bones.
I gave Tuck a pigs ear once that I had gotten out of the bin at PetCo. I noticed it was a bit harder than rawhide and I had concerns as I gave it to Tuck. About 3 minutes into his enthusiastic chewing, the ear shattered into a million pieces, including pieces that looked like toothpicks. It went directly into the trash and never more with the pigs ears… I don't know if this was a freak occurrence or not. The ear was brown and seemed to be coated with something. But anyway...
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EL D is so aggressive with his chewing (he'll rip through tough toys and rawhide in seconds flat) that I'm too hesitant to give him real bones. My previous beastie wouldn't always chew his rawhide sufficiently and swallowed a big chunk - it wasn't too long before he sent up the most awful scream when it got stuck. I guess there is no one size fits all answer.
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EL D is so aggressive with his chewing (he'll rip through tough toys and rawhide in seconds flat) that I'm too hesitant to give him real bones. My previous beastie wouldn't always chew his rawhide sufficiently and swallowed a big chunk - it wasn't too long before he sent up the most awful scream when it got stuck. I guess there is no one size fits all answer.
Hmmm, that is WHY I want to try real bones. Keoki's rawhides disappear before the other two have really even started! I'm hoping real bones will slow him down.
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I gave Tuck a pigs ear once that I had gotten out of the bin at PetCo. I noticed it was a bit harder than rawhide and I had concerns as I gave it to Tuck. About 3 minutes into his enthusiastic chewing, the ear shattered into a million pieces, including pieces that looked like toothpicks. It went directly into the trash and never more with the pigs ears… I don't know if this was a freak occurrence or not. The ear was brown and seemed to be coated with something. But anyway...
I USED to give pig ears and pig ear strips but no more. I have no problem with the ears themselves, but they give my dogs such horrible gas :eek: , like… clear the room and run for cover, don't come back w/out a mask kind of gas. It is awful!
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We use hooves…...they stink.......but our's get treats in their crates. They can have that stink all to themselves!:D
We give them soup bones too.
Can you imagine what the Basenji's in the African Villages chomp on and swallow?:eek:
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We use hooves…...they stink.......but our's get treats in their crates. They can have that stink all to themselves!:D
We give them soup bones too.
Can you imagine what the Basenji's in the African Villages chomp on and swallow?:eek:
Oh yeah, hooves. I used to give those in the house, but ugh; they DO stink – like I don't even know how to describe that smell.
Now there on the back porch and they kind of chew on those while waiting for me to let them in the house. -
Oh yeah, hooves. I used to give those in the house, but ugh; they DO stink – like I don't even know how to describe that smell.
Now there on the back porch and they kind of chew on those while waiting for me to let them in the house.That's perfect JM:D , I can't describe the smell either.:eek: As not to gross everyone out, I won't even try!:D They do last a long time!!!
Dogs just seem to love stinky things…......I wonder why?
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I gave up on hoof's years ago… one to many time stepping on one in the middle of the night and one too many broken tooth... and yes.. boy to they stink...
If anyone has horses and has ever been around when the Farrier is trimming their hooves.. that is what it smells like....
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I gave up on hoof's years ago… one to many time stepping on one in the middle of the night
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Our's never get the hooves anywhere but in the crate…...thankfully.:D
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Are those the hooves that you have to fill with something?? Or do you just give it to them hollow??
I've seen them but they look pretty gross :eek: I'm re-crate training so I'll try anything right about now
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Are those the hooves that you have to fill with something?? Or do you just give it to them hollow??
I've seen them but they look pretty gross :eek: I'm re-crate training so I'll try anything right about now
I guess you could fill them with something…....they look like little wedges sort of.
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Well i just went to the chinese grocers and they had some cheap pork ribs so i bought some and just fed tayda and lenny each one raw meaty rib each. they devoured it all and seemed to love it.
so, i see there are some posts about not feeding pork ribs? is it because of trichinosis? If the meat is human grade it should be fine right?
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Pork ribs are OK to feed at l least I have. Chicken is typically cheaper for the size and sometime in the supermarket you can find necks and backs…... just remember to go slow when introducing raw meaty bones... and also regular kibble should not be fed at the same time... interesting then too, "poop" will be hard and white.. and that is from the bones...
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This is a long post, so please bear with me.
Yesterday, I went to the butcher shop around the corner and came home with a trimmed turkey carcass (for free!). Yippee! I'd recently started both my dogs on a raw food diet - the frozen patties from Nature's Variety, which they love – and thought I'd let them gnaw on a real bone from a real animal. When I got the carcass home, I pulled off some smaller rib and organ pieces and then one piece, about four inches long, that seemed to be an intact bone, covered with meat. When I put it on a dish for Ziggy to gnaw on, he SWALLOWED it! The entire thing, whole!
I watched him very carefully for the rest of the day, and he seemed completely fine.
Then, at 6:00 this morning, he got up and began pacing ... sat down in the middle of the room, and stared, paced, went into another room, and then went into my bathroom and threw up. He threw up again in the hallway, twice ... while hunched over (sitting) his head tipped back as if he might yodel, but then he paced again. His ears were flattened, his eyes slightly bugged out, his tail drooping. He went downstairs, whining.
I almost went out of my mind with fear, thinking that the bone was lodged somewhere in his intestinal tract and would kill him! I immediately got on the Web and began to look for information on "dog, bone, swallow, emergency," and the phone number of the nearest pet emergency center.
He threw up twice more. Then I tried to take him outside to see if he would pee or poop, and he wouldn't even go out. So I let him go back to bed and took Zoe outside. She threw up in the grass.
When I came inside, I made a small amount of cooked oatmeal and fed some to him, in very small dollops. He ate the oatmeal with no hesitation. Then I gave them both half-servings of their regular breakfast, the Nature's Variety raw food. Again, I only let them eat one mouthful at a time. They both ate with no problems, and they both had some water.
I've watched them very carefully all day. Zoe pooped early in the day, and Ziggy did at about 1:00. Both have loose (but not watery) stools that are yellowish and a bit mucusy. Neither one looks or acts sick. They are moving around, drinking, sleeping, responding when called ... in other words, they both seem to be OKAY.
I, on the other hand, probably lost 15 pounds in sweat (and some tears). I thought that I may have killed my dog.
The moral of the story, for me, is that neither of my dogs can be trusted to "chew up" anything. They are both gobblers and will swallow as quickly as possible anything that's put in front of them, WHOLE. I've also reaffirmed the good advice that any introduction of something new in their diet should be made very slowly and gradually. Note to self: Don't put an entire turkey carcass in front of them when they're never seen one before!!! (Slapping self)
Any thoughts on similar situations will be much appreciated!
Lori
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How long ago did you switch to the raw food? I ask because the mucus poop can be from that, my boxer had the same thing. As for the loose part it could be from straight turkey. As long as the bone wasn't cooked the stomach acids should help break the bone down
I think for bones to chew on that they should be big raw bones like beef bones.
