Thanks again, everyone! Dmcarty, we live in Kiel, which is a small town in eastern WI, near Sheboygan, which is where we work. Maybe I shouldn't even worry so much then, I just thought there might be many more days than last year where she will be in the crate from about 7-4:30 or 5. Maybe we will try the baby gate when we are home and see how that works.
I was also looking on craigslist for an outdoor pen, and some people have one, but do you think I have to worry about her digging under it? I found one for only $175, that has 4 sides and a roof, but no bottom.
Are there any "Doggy Daycare's" in your area where you could put your B a day or two each week? That way the weekly crate routine would be broken up and you'd have certain days for your errands also.
Shock collars do not go well with Bs. BRAT will not let you adopt a rescue from them if you plan on using one. In my personal opinion I think they are down right cruel and owners that use them should have their pet removed. I can understand your concern about leaving Tosca in a crate for 9 or more hours. Doggy daycare is a good alternative a few days a week. Good luck.
I actually have a shock collar story. The first basenji I placed in a wonderful home. As years went on they would go 'up north' which in Minnesota is almost anything north of the Twin Cities. 
IN any event - I found out after the fact that when they were up north (way up north in the middle of no where) they used a shock collar so that their dog could enjoy the great outdoors. There were very few cars up where they were. They found it to work very well - until it didn't. What had happened is that after using it all summer - they found that the dog stuck around so they didn't use it. The beginning of the next summer season - up they went and they opened the door (thinking that the dog had learned his boundaries from last year) He started running and ran out into the road that had probably 3 cars a day on it -and met his end. They thought that using the shock collar 'trained' him and didn't realize that for basenjis - there is a constant need to test boundaries. A hard lesson.
The concept of a shock collar is supposed to be a 'training' tool not a full time use tool - since basenjis are smart enough to know that there is no zap if the collar isn't on. It really doesn't work very well for them.
I work about 30 miles from my home and DH is in the military with odd hours or he is always gone. Both furkids are crated, seperate and do fine but I had the guilt feelings too so I have a pet nanny that comes in and takes them out on days that I have school at night or when I may have to work late. I also have our neighbors who have a key to our house and I can call if it looks like I am stuck in traffic and I am worried.
We do doggie day care at a few places a couple times a month as well.
I know what you mean about the guilt feeling though, but I know that I can't trust either one of them out of the crate without supervision.
9 hours is not that horrible for an adult Basenji… but while I would never use a shock collar or an underground fence, it is down right cruel, IMO and I would never trust one..period... ... I would not put them in an outdoor pen unless set up like a regular kennel with indoor and outdoor access. Like was said, you can buy x-pens and put tops on them.. this is what people who go to dog shows do all the time.... Litter box training is an idea too... of course the best idea would be doggy day care, or hire a neighbor kid to walk her every afternoon.....
I have one bedroom in my house that is my dogs' room when I'm away from the house. I shut the door, and there is pretty much nothing in the room except except their blankets, water, and my computer desk and a bookcase that I enclose in an X pen so that Tyler and Zoey can't get into any trouble. Then there's a dog door to the backyard which also has an X pen set up so that they are limitied to where they can go in the backyard unless I'm at home and open it up. Zoey does not like to do her #2 business anywhere in the enclosed backyard area–so I always have to open up the backyard X pen let them out in the a.m. before I leave so that she can do her morning business (otherwise, she does it in the front room at the opposite end of the house). Then the X pen in the backyard gets closed before I leave the house. My backyard is also fenced all around, but none of my dogs has ever tried to get over the X pen (I have the tall size).
First, my husband was looking online and found a product his brother uses. Its a shock collar, you have a main base that you store in the garage and then the dog wears the collar, and gets shocked if she goes beyond a set radius from the base. Although it works well for his dog (a german shorthair) I have told him that I don't think those work for Basenjis and he disagreed, can anyone shed any light on this issue? I have heard both good and bad things about these for basenjis, and I don't know if it is something to try or not…
Basenjis do not tend to do well with a shock collar. Many are willing to take the shock if they feel the pay off is big enough. Not only that they do not protect your dog from some other animal coming into your yard and doing your dog harm.
If not, does anyone have any ideas on what we can do with her while we are at work all day? I looked online at Xpens but they look too short, like she could get out. I would be willing to consider an outside pen also, I know it wouldn't work in winter but at least it might be good the majority of the year…and if an outside pen might be a good idea, does anyone have any recommendations as to what kind?
X-pens come in different heights and you can buy a top.
Another option to doggy daycare is a dog walker. My petsitter also does dog walking and actually there are a lot more dog walkers locally than petsitters. My mom has used a dog walker for her dogs especially for her 15 year old lab who needed walks every 3 hours.
Other things to think about is coordinating so if one of you needs to run errands one day that they other person is not so the days are fairly consistent in length.
I undersatnd how u feel. There are days my B has to be crated for 9 hrs as well and we hate it but it's better than any other option especially for safety reasons. Just remember that dogs spend most of there day sleeping so it should be fine. I do recommend that on days when this happens (even if it is everyday), try taking your B for a longer walk.
Just remember that dogs spend most of there day sleeping so it should be fine.
It's true!! We both work and my two are crated all day - 9 hours, Mon - Fri. When I come home, they're groggy but ready to get out, stretch and go outside. They get lots of exercise zooming around and around. Before you know it, they're tired and ready for bed like the rest of us. Weekends are the way things should be - not crated and with us most of the time. I wish they didn't have to be crated so long, but can't feel too sorry for them, because they have a very good life with lots of love, chewy's and activity. I am lucky that they accept their crates (beds) and know the routine on the days everyone gets up early. I should also mention, that we normally get up early 5 am and they get lots of inside / outside opportunity and exercise before being crated at 7:30 am.
Good luck to you both Jylly18!
To start, NO ONE here likes underground fencing, so you won't get much support here for those. I myself, have underground fencing, and I love it. Sahara, my B will not jump the fence, yes she tried at first but now she does not at all. Once your dog knows where the boundaries are it will not go to near, there is a warning before the shock, the collar will beep twice to let the dog know to back off. Sahara takes off when the beeping starts, she has learned. Yes, I hated it when I would see her try it, but she doesn't anymore. I was at my neighbors last week talking in their yard, Sahara was standing in my driveway whinning for me, she did not jump the fence. Of course she was rewarded for that. Lots of hugs and kisses for being such a good girl. Sahara is home with my hubby until he goes to work at 3:00pm, I work in the mornings, so she is usually sleeping when I come home at 5:00pm. If I didn't have the fencing she would have been hit by a car by now. She loves to chase cars and will just shy of the fencing, the car comes by and Sahara is off chasing the length of my yard. When I run errands I do not worry about her being in the yard, I don't have other animals in my yard, it is against the law here to let an animal run free. I live on a busy street, so yes I like underground fencing, it has saved my Sahara's life many times. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. haha!!!!:D
To start, NO ONE here likes underground fencing, so you won't get much support here for those. I myself, have underground fencing, and I love it. Sahara, my B will not jump the fence, yes she tried at first but now she does not at all. Once your dog knows where the boundaries are it will not go to near, there is a warning before the shock, the collar will beep twice to let the dog know to back off. Sahara takes off when the beeping starts, she has learned. Yes, I hated it when I would see her try it, but she doesn't anymore. I was at my neighbors last week talking in their yard, Sahara was standing in my driveway whinning for me, she did not jump the fence. Of course she was rewarded for that. Lots of hugs and kisses for being such a good girl. Sahara is home with my hubby until he goes to work at 3:00pm, I work in the mornings, so she is usually sleeping when I come home at 5:00pm. If I didn't have the fencing she would have been hit by a car by now. She loves to chase cars and will just shy of the fencing, the car comes by and Sahara is off chasing the length of my yard. When I run errands I do not worry about her being in the yard, I don't have other animals in my yard, it is against the law here to let an animal run free. I live on a busy street, so yes I like underground fencing, it has saved my Sahara's life many times. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. haha!!!!:D
Maybe it works for your dog… but I still would never take that chance, especially if I was not home... and while it works for you... it is certainly not for 90% of Basenjis (and in my opinion.. no dog)... again while your dog may stay within the bounds... it keeps NO ONE/NO CRITTER/NO OTHER DOGS out of your yard.....even a human could come in and easily steal or hurt your dog... Oh and by the way.... fine that it is required that animals don't run free... and of course we all know how well people respect some laws....
… Oh and by the way.... fine that it is required that animals don't run free... and of course we all know how well people respect some laws....
And even when people do their best to comply with the law, there are so many times when dogs get free unintentionally.
Here is my feeling and why though it may work for some people, I could never use one myself nor recommend one. It only takes 1 time that the dog does not respect that barrier for it to become an HBC (hit by car) statistic. It only takes 1 time that a neighbor's dog gets loose and comes into your yard and attacks your dog for it to end up dead or with hundreds of dollars in vet bills. In my neighborhood people are in general very conscientious about keeping their dogs on leash and yet we have still had loose dogs in the neighborhood on occasion because of a door dasher, or a dropped leash, or a totally freaked out dog because of fireworks. So the odds are that a loose dog will happen and I don't want my dogs to be put in the situation of choosing to go over that line to avoid an attack where they have a high chance of being HBC or staying and getting attacked.
As I said, No one here will say they like underground fencing, I know this and I don't agree, but we all have our opinions. Anyone can steal your dog if it is outside and you are not right there, there are only 2 dogs in my neighborhood, no problem there, besides Sahara if scared can go in the house through her door. Like I said she sleeps most of the time we are away in the house. My reason for posting that I like fencing is b/c I wanted to let the one that originally posted with the question to know that someone here likes underground fencing. It works for me, end of debate.
besides Sahara if scared can go in the house through her door. Like I said she sleeps most of the time we are away in the house. My reason for posting that I like fencing is b/c I wanted to let the one that originally posted with the question to know that someone here likes underground fencing. It works for me, end of debate.
Sahara's doggy door IS an advantage for you. We do not have a doggy door or a place to put one, except if I wanted to put one to the garage - and from the there in the house (2 dog doors). I don't want to do that.
In defense of the electric fence - we have one too as some may know here and it works well for us. However, I cannot let my two run unsupervised during the day because there are coyote, racoons and of course squirrels in the area. I wouldn't want to take the chance for them to encounter any danger, or even kill a squirrel and eat it…yuck. :eek: Overall though, they sleep most of the day. Even on weekends, they like to nap during the day, either in or out.
Everyone has individual circumstances and feelings of proper safety in our unique demographic areas.
As I said, No one here will say they like underground fencing, I know this and I don't agree, but we all have our opinions. Anyone can steal your dog if it is outside and you are not right there, there are only 2 dogs in my neighborhood, no problem there, besides Sahara if scared can go in the house through her door. Like I said she sleeps most of the time we are away in the house. My reason for posting that I like fencing is b/c I wanted to let the one that originally posted with the question to know that someone here likes underground fencing. It works for me, end of debate.
Since you have no privacy fencing, I am curious what prevents other dogs or cats from using Sahara's dog door to enter your home when you are not home? I know people who have found other people's cats and even raccoons in their home because of the dog door and that is with privacy fencing to deter animals from coming onto the property.
I have had NO problems with the dog door, I live in a small neighborhood. Not many cats here and Sahara is the number 2 dog, and Sahara will keep anything from coming in her door, she is the guard dog. I have 2 cats and she won't even let them come in. haha!!!!!!!
I have had NO problems with the dog door, I live in a small neighborhood. Not many cats here and Sahara is the number 2 dog, and Sahara will keep anything from coming in her door, she is the guard dog. I have 2 cats and she won't even let them come in. haha!!!!!!!
Glad that it works for you.. but again… I would never ever recommend this as a solution....
re: underground fence - we have a story in MN. Youngster very compliant with fencing and does a great job and stays in the yard - Rottie comes into the yard and rips her to shreds - she couldn't run because she couldn't cross the fence without a shock - owners did come out and Rottie owner had to pay several thousands of dollars in medical bills and it was touch and go that she would live - she did.
More recently in the Minneapolis area - we had a pomeranian in the yard with IF and a Coyote came in and grabbed her doing severe damage before someone could chase it off.
I do know someon who uses it as an addition to a regular fence - which I think makes sense to me.
