When will my B get her first period?

Could be anytime from 6 months to 1yr for their first season

@elbrant ok wow sorry i totally didn’t read that while writing! My parents want to wait til she has her first cycle to have her spayed

@eeeefarm i completely forgot to add that they want to spay her after she goes through her first cycle. Oops!

It is different in the southern hemisphere - we are six months behind, or in front, if you wish. The spaying is a hysterectomy, so she may need attention later in life.

Why spay ? And certainly not before she is hormonally and structurally mature or you are likely to be building up problems for the poor girl in later life. Let her mature naturally and then ask yourself if spaying is really necessary ?

Although it might be a possible convenience to you, it can be positively harmful to the bitch when she is older.

Congrats for waiting on the first cycle. I'd say at least two. It takes at least that long for all the development to occur. Or take Zande's sage advice and don't do it.

As people have said, could be anytime from six months to a year. So best guess would be 9-10 months. Like human girls, Basenji girls are unpredictable (joke).

@zande said in When will my B get her first period?:

you are likely to be building up problems for the poor girl

A number of comments on this thread indicate that spaying is harmful later in life. Can anyone explain this?

  • What happens if you spay too soon?
  • What happens if you spay at an older age (say, 18 months)?

The best reply is to reproduce the email which was circulated a couple of months ago. In its entirety ❗

posted in Basenji Health Issues & Questions 30 May 2019, 15:49 • read more
@zande said in Spay Early or Spay Later:
Six months is far too young.
Yes...
Thanks, everyone, for weighing in on the side of waiting. I had a nice long WhatsApp chat with Liz McCargo of Bellator Basenji's last night and even though I did not buy my pup from her, she took the time to share her thoughts, which she said I could share here. This was her original answer.
“For the most part, I recommend delayed spaying and neutering in nearly all cases. For my puppy buyers I recommend waiting until 12-18 months old at the very least, ideally around 24 months old. For a majority of cases, this is best and best for the dogs. Although it means a little more management for the owners, it’s better in the long run for the lifetime of the dog.
“The best resource regarding spaying/neutering is the spay neuter booklet from puppy culture. It goes into all the nuances of why, from a scientific standpoint, and explains things a ton better than I ever could. What it boils down to is it’s better physically, emotionally, mentally, and psychologically for dogs to be allowed to fully mature before removing their sexual organs.
“The sexual organs help regulate the endocrine system which controls growth of joints, bones, organs, and the regulation of the thyroid. This is why many pets become fat after being fixed, the thyroid is negatively impacted by altering pets, and weight control becomes a bit more difficult. So with earlier spay/neuter, a dog can essentially grow disproportionately to what it was genetically designed since early removal of the sexual organs alters the dog genetically.
“So physically you may see no difference but their organs may be smaller or larger than originally designed which may lead to complications in the long run. So your dog may live to 10-12 years old, but had the potential to live to 15. We never really know the full impact as we cannot see into the future. Delayed altering can also reduce risks of many different types of cancers. The issues cited that support altering your pet are still there once you alter at a later age, so you’re not missing out on any of the benefits by waiting, but adding to the ultimate life long benefits by waiting.
“As long as a family can reasonably and responsibly contain their female when in season and contain their male apart from females in season, there’s no need for early altering. Many vets push it because it came from an era of pets breeding at their own will and resulted in many unwanted litters. In today’s day and of age of more fences and less farms, I don’t know any responsible owners who have unwanted litters.
“Most of Europe doesn’t alter their pets ever, but are able to responsibly contain them and prevent unwanted breedings. Anyway, that’s my two cents on it, the puppy culture book is a wealth of knowledge and the more educated you are, the better a standing up to pushy veterinarians.”
https://shoppuppyculture.com/products/puppy-culture-spay-neuter-booklet
So a) I will be buying the puppy culture booklet and b) will do everything in my power to keep my girl from being spayed until she is at least a year old and preferably two. Where I live is rampant with unneutered mutts but I have a secure house for her and am with her 100% of the time, so...we should do fine.
My other two Bs (littermates) were neutered younger than a year. One died of lymphoma at age 9 and the other of a brain tumor at age 10. Not sure if it was the early neutering, disreputable breeder, or what, but I really want to do everything I can to give this little girl the longest and best life possible.

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I agree that Liz spells it out far more logically and coherently than I could, too. I tend to become marginally incoherent when people tell me spaying without specific health need is necessary / desirable.

In later life, if neutering is going to increase the quality of life for an old friend, then yes. I have done that - twice in 39 years of breeding and keeping these wonderful animals..

But to cut young Basenjis about, just for 'convenience' - because that is the real reason I suspect people do it for - is something I can't get my head around.

@Zande Thank you for the explanation. It certainly presents quite a lot of information to aid in such a decision.

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