Pippin is going nuts while crated…
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I have 5 basenjis, 4 of whom are perfectly crate trained and 1 who just will not go in a crate (Trouper).
I raised my litter of 6 pups all the same and Chance and Trouper were crated together when they were young. This worked great until Chance decided he didn't want to share anymore. Well, Trouper just would NOT be crated alone, even if his crate was right beside Chance's. Trouper's crate used to belong to my GSD so was huge for a B. He will eat inside the crate but that is it!
We tried everything to crate train Trouper but he is just having none of it. He is 4 years old now. He now is the only B who is left uncrated in the house. He sleeps on the sofa and is as gold as gold. In the car, he wears a harness and sits up by me in the front of the van. He just loves it and is perfectly safe.
I think crate training is an absolute must for any B but I also think there are some Bs who will just NOT play ball. Trouper's uncle is another B I know who just will not tolerate a crate.
Please be very careful with your B when you are crate training him if he is screaming chewing etc - Trouper has broken one of his canine teeth and I am facing a vet bill of 4 figures to do root canal treatment or have an extraction :eek:
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I do have 2 non basenjis out loose in the house but Moses and him I crate…l guess maybe I could close the door to the bedroom so the loose dogs don't flaunt their freedom..
I will start feeding him in it this morning and if he doesn't eat he will eat at the next feeding, I hope. I have tried having him in it ehile I am home, but whooly cow, it sounds excrutiating....I bet the other dogs are plotting for his early departure.....hehe..
I am worried about him getting hurt, and he also potties in it, even though we've been to a walk....hmmm, persistence on my part hopefully will pay off. -
Well he had his breakfast in the crate no problems at all…last week when I tried it he didn't eat, just tried to bite his way through the bars for 20 minutes...maybe he is giving up..if ever so slightly...jippea..small step for me a huge step for him and crate training..I hope.
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Have you move the crate so that it is right next to Moses? That I think would help also….
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Yes I did….will work with them being in their crates even though I am still here..Moses will do it all day long, he loves hie "room" and rather sleep there throughout the day as supposed to anywhere else. I hope Pippin will get even remotely close to that.
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At the beginning Ayo cried a bit sometimes. I read somewhere that they would cry and then quiet down within about twenty minutes. That if they cried for longer than that, then maybe you shoud try something else. But within that time frame the advice was to just leave him. If you keep coming back to check on him , or he hears that you are near he will cry. Ayo still does this, he is fine crated if he knows im leaving but if I hang around and he hears my voice he starts calling for me to take him out. Which is another thing you shouldn't do. Never take him out if his crying or restless. Try to wait till he calms down a least somewhat so he gets it that crying isnt gonna make you release him. Like children, they learn cause and effect. Hope this helps… Also I find that I have to repeat things with Ayo regularly even if I dont need to, just to keep him used to it. For example. For a while I didnt have the crate with me and I would just leave him in the bedroom , without the crate, and I noticed that he was getting used to not having a crate, so I went and got the crate , even though I can leave him in the bedroom, I crate him just so he stays used to it..
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One trick I use for eating (in crates always) is that if they are not eating, when the time is up, I open the crates and let the other eat the food the one is leaving. Trust me, once or twice of this… and they will ate rather then let one of the others have it.
+1 on this. Pat gave me this advice when I Liyah was going thru a phase of playing instead of eating. I let Ruby in Liyah's crate to eat the meal that Liyah was ignoring - it was the last time Liyah skipped a meal. One thing I would add though is be sure that whatever dog you let in isn't even slightly a resource guarder as that would likely be a problem. That was why Ruby was allowed in and not Brando. I did the same trick with Ozzy the other night - he dumped his dinner as he wanted out. Consequently I let Liyah in his crate to clean up…He's now back to being a perfect eater. :D
Oh and with the car crating - doesn't the xc90 have lash/tie points in the way back (I know the xc60 did when I looked into ordering one in the summer). Just get some bungy cords (walmart or an auto parts store) and hook those to the crate and lash points to secure your crates. Super easy with bungy cords to take crates in and out if need be. I also put chew toys/treats in the car crates that they only get in the car, so that is an additional interest to them.
I'm wondering if part of Pippin's issue with the crates is that his first main experience (even though with a sherpa) was on a plane and the noise might have been a little traumatizing to him.
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I had no issues with him eating today in his crate, but if he does give me some I will send Luna our yorkie/schnauzer mix in, she is not a resource guarder at all…but so far so good.
I did order another wire crate for the car, bigger than the plastic one I use right now and since wire seems harder to tip over I think it will be a good thing..but yes the xc90 does have tiepoints I could use if I need it. I am now thinking maybe the new style crate I got him is scary to him..when you go to close the garage style door it makes a metal on metal racket, could be unnerving to say the least. I ordered the standard two door style midwest crate that Otis had and that Moses has, although Moses' is much larger..
As far as the plane flight and sherpa..maybe ..but he slept 12 of the 14 or so hours he was on traveling foot..not a peep came out of him once..so if he was scared he never showed it. He sat in the seat next to my brother during the whole trip as supposed to on the floorboard. -
I'm all for crate feeding. The crate needs to be associated with something 'good'.
Kipawa was doing the whining when we first crated him. He did not settle down. As Dmey mentioned, I would not let him out until he had settled down. Now, after feeding, I leave the crate door open with a few good toys in it. Kipawa is choosing to go into the crate on his own during the day to play with the toys.
If I have to leave the house, even with my husband at home, we crate Kipawa, as Kipawa moves tons faster than my hubby in his wheelchair :). Darrel tells me that Kipawa whines for about 10 solid minutes, then settles down and naps, then whines again, then settles down…. This repeats itself until I get home.
Then, when I let him out of his crate, he 'complains' to me - lots of talking and telling me he didn't like me leaving him. He is extremely attached to me, and we have to work on him being comfortable when I go out to get groceries, go to the pet store, etc.
Just remain consistent with what you do. Don't give in. Barring damaging himself in his crate, it's kind of like 'who will give in first'. I'm sure things will improve for you.
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Well he had his breakfast in the crate no problems at all…last week when I tried it he didn't eat, just tried to bite his way through the bars for 20 minutes...maybe he is giving up..if ever so slightly...jippea..small step for me a huge step for him and crate training..I hope.
OMG that was Cara… she still chews on them sometimes but not like at first.
As for the other dogs, mine always have fits if the others are free to nah nah them.
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Re crating in the car. I have done a lot of transport with b's who don't know me and are not liking a crate. I tell the old owners to put them in the crate, when we get ready to transport. I make sure they are well walked and empty by the old owner, before they go in.
They often scream for a bit, but I just turn the radio up. They do settle down and soon its quiet. On a long transport I will take them out of the crate to empty, and they are
often ready to get back into the crate after. Usually they are quiet after a bit of "talking".
There is no way I can have a dog who doesn't know me, in a car, while driving, without the crate. -
I do have crated Basenjis and 1 who won't be crated i=on her own. I tried to tough it out with her for 3 years (and I'm not inexperienced) but eventually had to give up (she is now 16 and a half). She eats in her crate but only with the door open.
I firmly believe that there aere exceptions and now and again a Basenji 'arrives' who will not be crate trained (Jewel is a great grandmother to Benkura's Trouper!!!).
However I doubt if Kipawa is one of those and I'm sure you'll have success with the advice you've been given. I only want to say please watch the crate chewing (Jewel has a broken canine from her crate chewing confinement experience) - a puppy's teeth could soon break if the wire is strong.
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And get a dvd called Crate Games. that will help. watch all of the video before doing the exercises. .
Thanks for the tip. It sounds interesting. I just ordered the dvd on dogwise.com. It was over $50 on amazon.
Kirsten
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Pippin has done ok today, but has not frequented the crate more than at food times..he does eat in it, which is great news for me…but he will not sleep in it with the door closed..he loves Moses crate though...can't wait for pippin's crate (like moses') to arrive on tuesday..I am seriously thinking that is what is freaking him out...or not. We will work on it more very day and see how he does..
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My Pip also doesn't like being in a crate. He used to scream in the car until your ears were ringing so I can sympathise there! He is 14 months old now and is very good in the car but not when at shows, I don't know if we will ever crack that! I did leave him and his mum and half brother in individual crates in the caravan while I had a look around a show, I kept coming back sure he would be creating a fuss but he was fine. I think you just have to persevere. I make a point of never taking him out of the crate when he is having a tantrum, he will think that's why he is coming out!
My others are all perfect in their crates, mine aren't crated at home apart from Chico who has his dinner in his because he likes to eat slower than the others.
One of my previous basenjis, Moet, would go into a crate, sleep in a crate etc but only if the door was open! Some just don't like it. Moet is sadly no longer with us.
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Moetmum, thank you so much for your advice…
Pippin screams exactly like that too, but today I tried his wire crate in the car, as supposed to the plastic one, and he whimpered a little, but no scream or shrieking...jippea..small steps. He still eats in his crate..well I guess not abymore sine it is in the car now..but his new rate comes tomorrow..then I have one for the house and one for the car...So sorry to read about Moet..breaks my heart when they leave us...
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I can't fit a bigger crate in….i don't think.....
Agilebasenji, he came in a sherpa on the plane...he has a wire crate in the house and plastic crate in the car...but I could try the wire for the car too. I tried feeding him in it and he simply doesn't eat...i guess I should tough love it more.hi, i had similar problems crating., i just used to leave the door open, PUT his food bowl inside and just ignore.drop odd treat inside too.it may take a while but persivere, he will go and investigate when your not looking.Now my winco goes and sits in there happily. then move it to the car, leave door open and let him investigate. slowly he may find he is happy with it and feel more secure…....good luck.. erica:)
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He is actually in his crate in the car right now, we are in the car pool waiting for kiddos…and he is sleeping. :):D
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Perfect way to get him used to the crate, especially in the car… take them lots of places lots of times!!! Good job!
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Thanks Tanza, I hope I won't traumatize him though…but he comes along when I drop the kiddos off and when I pick them up...so twice a day for sure..the wire crate works much better, he wimpers then settles down and goes to sleep...
