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    I happen to overhear a couple of people yesterday who were talking about how to find a puppy (of a specific dog breed) online and they said it was okay online because puppy mill dogs only go to pet stores!!

    After a mini-lecture on breed organizations, rescue, etc. I decided to google basenji pups and see what popped up. Here it is below. Now if a person searching for a puppy knows little about how to find a reputable breeder (and people searching for their first dog may be like that), what does the Internet do for them?

    Merry

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    Some of these sites are quality breeders, some are just "give me your credit card and I will ship you a dog".
    Buyer beware.

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  • And this is why it is not always a bad thing for responsible breeders to advertise (regardless if they puppies or not) on the sites like puppyfind or next day pets… having responsible breeders on there might encourage people to really look at who they are dealing with and the difference between a BYB or responsible breeder.

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    Thanks,

    I did recognize some names but although I have belonged to BCOA for 25 yrs I would not know all reputable breeders.

    I can see why people end up buying pups from people who are not especially concerned with health or anything but making money. I guess there is a long continuum from the backyard breeder who cares about and socializes his/her dogs to the worst of puppy mills.

    I was shocked this summer to learn that Amish country in Ohio is known as a place where many people farm dogs just as they would farm hogs. Some in such terrible conditions it gave me nightmares for days.

    I think we need humane education in the schools– the Canadians have it-- to teach kids able responsible pet ownership.

    Merry

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  • @Segbwema:

    Thanks,

    I did recognize some names but although I have belonged to BCOA for 25 yrs I would not know all reputable breeders.

    I can see why people end up buying pups from people who are not especially concerned with health or anything but making money. I guess there is a long continuum from the backyard breeder who cares about and socializes his/her dogs to the worst of puppy mills.

    I was shocked this summer to learn that Amish country in Ohio is known as a place where many people farm dogs just as they would farm hogs. Some in such terrible conditions it gave me nightmares for days.

    I think we need humane education in the schools– the Canadians have it-- to teach kids able responsible pet ownership.

    Merry

    I totally agree…. education begins with the young, especially in this day of multi media outlets....

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  • There are some things that we can all do to help. Google and Yahoo searches use how much a site is viewed as one criteria for it being shown on search results. So the more we click on responsible breeder sites, the more likely they are to be listed. So share those links with friends and family and make sure to check back on sites like the BCOA website on a regular basis to keep it high on the list. Another thing that BCONC members have found effective is to have club business cards that can be handed out when people inquire about the breed. This way when the person goes home to look up the breed, instead of just doing a google search they will go to the BCONC and BCOA sites first.

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  • I agree with all the above and would add that as I have been looking for an additional dog, I have been shocked at the number of scams out there. Fortunately I have the resources to check out the stories that seemed shaky but even I have been surprised at the lengths they go to to defraud people.

    One of them even had faked a health certificate CHI certificate. You can only imagine the reaction of my kids when they thought we were on the path to our new family member only to tell them someone was trying to rip us off.

    Anyhow, I do feel bad for those that do not check out the full story.

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  • First Basenji's

    I, too, find it infuriating. Sites like puppyfind, k9stud, etc. drive me crazy. I do think it's interesting that responsible Basenji breeders will advertise their pups there, whereas off the top of my head, I can't think of a responsible Shiba breeder that has does so with regularity/across all those sites.

    I'm out and about with my dogs a lot. They advertise their breed just by being themselves! I often get questions like "Are they expensive?" and "Where can I get one?" I never answer directly, but usually refer them to the breed club to start their search. But to be fair, the answers they want – what the average buyer deems "important" -- isn't easy to find. For example, if they just want to know $$ and a source to begin with, referring to the breed club makes them go through several steps. They have to reroute to breeders' sites, contact the breeder to find out if puppies are available, how much they cost, etc. Yes, a determined puppy buyer won't be troubled by these hurdles, but many people find it too much of a hassle and so don't bother. One "appeal" of those mass-listing puppy sites is their immediacy of information.

    If they're asking about Basenjis, I always refer them to BRAT. I don't call it a rescue (for some reason, that turns some people off), I just tell them to Google "BRAT Basenji" because it's memorable and that way I can be assured they'll get good search results. Once they get to the BRAT page, they see great pictures, charming descriptions, and lots of good information. The adoption cost is clearly listed. If they're not smitten by any of the available rescues and still insist on a puppy, they can go from there.

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    It is not true that all puppymill pups go to petstores. If the USDA breeder is unable to sell all their pups to the dealer/broker due to a lack of demand or a defect where the dealer does not accept them, the breeder will sell online either on a site like puppyfind.com or its own website. If the breeder/dealer does not want to sell their pups via the internet, they can sell them at a dog auction. Here is the biggest dog auction http://www.swkennelauction.com/ and the other one is http://heartlandsale.com/index.html Heartland Sales usually has a lot of older pups for sale as compared to breeding dogs. SW Kennel Auction has been having a lot of dispersal sales this fall season. SW Kennel Auction is weekly from early September to early June and Heartland Sales is about once a month, I believe year round.

    The best thing to do is to look up the breeder name on the USDA website and see if they are USDA licensed. The breeder could be either licensed as a breeder or a dealer. A dealer can be a breeder who can sell their own pups to a petstore or another breeder's pups to a petstore. The largest USDA dealer is The Hunte Corp. who sells the majority of pets to petstores.

    Here is the website:

    http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_welfare/pubs_reports.shtml

    Look under reports which is down near the bottom of the page and click on ?List of Active Licensees and Registered Facilities.

    You can also look at the inspection reports for all USDA licensed facilities at ?Inspection Reports which is also under reports.

    Jennifer

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