@creambasenji said in New Puppy Advice:
She's 9 months and 8.5 pounds. Doesn't seem she will be getting any bigger
This must be a typo. 9 months or 9 weeks?
At any rate, I'd love to see a picture of a cream Basenji, toy or not.
I need help naming my new basenji pup!!
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Cesar Millan is going to get someone killed.
http://www.vet.ohio-state.edu/2726.htm
Quotes From Experts
World-renowned dog trainers, behaviorists and veterinarians had all warned National Geographic that Millan's methods had the potential for disaster. Below are quotes from noted experts:
- "Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways. My college thinks it is a travesty. We've written to National Geographic Channel and told them they have put dog training back 20 years."
o Dr. Nicholas Dodman - Professor and Head, Section of Animal Behavior
o Director of Behavior Clinic, Tufts University - Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine - "Practices such as physically confronting aggressive dogs and using of choke collars for fearful dogs are outrageous by even the most diluted dog training standards. A profession that has been making steady gains in its professionalism, technical sophistication and humane standards has been greatly set back. I have long been deeply troubled by the popularity of Mr. Millan as so many will emulate him. To co-opt a word like 'whispering' for arcane, violent and technically unsound practice is unconscionable."
o Jean Donaldson, The San Francisco SPCA-Director of The Academy for Dog Trainers - "A number of qualified professionals have voiced concern for the welfare of pet dogs that experience the strong corrections administered by Mr. Millan. My concerns are based on his inappropriateness, inaccurate statements, and complete fabrications of explanations for dog behavior. His ideas, especially those about "dominance", are completely disconnected from the sciences of ethology and animal learning, which are our best hope for understanding and training our dogs and meeting their behavioral needs. Many of the techniques he encourages the public to try are dangerous, and not good for dogs or our relationships with them ."
o Dr. Suzanne Hetts, Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist
o Co-owner of Animal Behavior Associates, Inc., Littleton, CO - "Cesar Millan employs outdated methods that are dangerous and inhumane. Using a choke chain and treadmill to treat fear of strangers and dogs is completely inappropriate. Hopefully the National Geographic Channel will listen to the scientific community and discontinue production of The Dog Whisperer."
o Vyolet Michaels, CTC (Certified Dog Trainer and Behavior Counselor)
o Owner of Urban Dawgs, LLC of Red Bank, NJ - "On his TV show, the main method Millan uses for aggression is aversives (leash jerks, kicks, snaps of the hand against the neck, and restraint, among others) applied non contingently. The aversives are non contingent because they are so frequent that they're not connected to any particular behavior on the part of the dog—the dog gets popped pretty much constantly. This results in a state called learned helplessness, which means the animal hunkers down and tries to do as little as possible. This is what Millan calls "calm submission." It's exactly the same thing you see in a rat in a Skinner box that is subjected to intermittent shocks it can do nothing to avoid. This can happen quite fast, by the way, shall we say in ten minutes? The dangers to the dog are obvious, ranging from chronic stress to exacerbating the aggression, i.e., some dogs fight back when attacked. This latter is the simplest reason that aversives are a bad idea in treating aggression. Even used technically correctly as positive punishment for specific behaviors like growling and snarling, aversives do nothing to change the underlying fear or hostility, so the best you can hope for, in the words of famed vet and behaviorist, Ian Dunbar, is "removing the ticker from the time bomb." Thus such methods substantially increase the risk to humans of getting bitten."
o Janis Bradley, Instructor at The San Franciso SPCA Academy for Dog Trainers
o Author of the book, "Dogs Bite" - Excerpt of letter from Lisa Laney, Dip. DTBC, CPDT, CBC to National Geographic before airing "The Dog Whisperer":
o "The intended program depicts aversive and abusive training methods - treatment for some serious anxiety and fear based issues - being administered by an individual with no formal education whatsoever in canine behavioral sciences. The "results" that are shown are more than likely not long lasting changes, but the result of learned helplessness, or fatigue, neither of which impact behavior to any significant long term degree - at least not in a good way. For those of us who are pioneering the effort to end the ignorance that drives the cruel treatment administered upon our canine companions, it is disappointing to see that this programming will reach the masses - especially on the NG Channel. The ignorance that this program perpetuates will give equally ignorant people the green light to subject their dogs to abuse. In turn these dogs will react even more defensively, will bite more people - and end up dead." - "I have serious concerns because his methods are often intimidating rather than motivating. On TV, the dogs do comply but often they're being forced to - you can tell by their body language: tail down, mouth closed, ears back, eyes dilated… I argue that motivating leadership is far more effective than leading through intimidation."
o Steve Dale is the author of the twice weekly syndicated newspaper column "My Pet World" (Tribune Media Services).
o He's also the host of syndicated radio programs Steve Dale's Pet World, The Pet Minute with Steve Dale; and Pet Central, at WGN Radio, Chicago.
o Steve is a contributing editor at USA Weekend, special correspondent/columnist Dog World and editor-in-chief of PawPrints (a newsletter for veterinarians).
o His books include "American Zoos" and "DogGone Chicago."
o Steve has appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show; National Geographic Explorer; Pets Part of the Family on PBS; several Animal Planet Shows; Fox News Channel, and Balance TV (Canada). He was a regular on WGN-TV Chicago.
o Touted as reaching more pet owners than any other pet journalist, Steve is a frequent guest expert on radio shows all over America and Canada; he has been quoted in dozens of newspaper and magazine stories, including the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, and Redbook.
o He is certified as a Behavior Consultant by the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants, and the recipient of many awards including the prestigious AVMA Humane Award.
- "Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways. My college thinks it is a travesty. We've written to National Geographic Channel and told them they have put dog training back 20 years."
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I did a posting earlier inquiring about the pedigree for your Missy and her offspring. Are they in the Basenji Pedigree Database? I was interested in knowing if they are related to the girl I have at home.
I highly suggest getting eye exams done on your Bs based on the Sweeters line and also if your Bs are related to my girl.
Thanks!
Jennifer Hill
Thank you for the update. Ill have to get her eyes checked.
Missy is not in the data base because she is not AKC registered. and i didnt think they could be in there if they are not. but now that i have been told that i think they can be, im going to contact Sally and see if she cant put her in there for me.
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Really, are you thinking of breeding this girl? She isn't even AKC reg. Please…rethink this.
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Really, are you thinking of breeding this girl? She isn't even AKC reg. Please…rethink this.
OH NO NO NO NO! she is spayed and 10 years old! I wouldnt if i could. She is just a family pet of mine. I thought we were just talking about putting more Basenjis into the database. I didnt realize we were talking about breeding and all. No she will not be bred(nor can she be) and she is my lovable little baby that sleeps in my bed under the covers every night. She is my life and i love her soooo much!
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Then I am very sorry. I though she was the young b girl you were thinking of breeding.
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Oh no trouble at all. Its ok
No i wouldnt breed a basenji unless it is AKC. I would also need the health tests and everything else be done before that would happen too. but no, Missy is just simply my house pet. I understand your concern tho, i would have said the same thing. Thank you though. -
Any B can be entered in the database. If your B was not officially registered but you have the paperwork, just name her and give all the information to Sally Wallis. I use Jen's and then usually the call name and then Surprise. I use Surprise because I never knew which Bs I would be bringing home.
I rescued a mom and some of her pups from SD. She was non-AKC registered-APRI and her pups had APRI puppy papers. Her official registered name was Bambi J. She responded to Bambi so I kept it and she is in the database as Jen's Bambi Surprise. Her offspring are Jen's Bowie Surprise, Jen's Brodie Surpise and Jen's Brassy Surprise in the database. All of their APRI registration numbers are in the database.
Jennifer
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Any B can be entered in the database. If your B was not officially registered but you have the paperwork, just name her and give all the information to Sally Wallis. I use Jen's and then usually the call name and then Surprise. I use Surprise because I never knew which Bs I would be bringing home.
Thank you for the advice.
Ill have to contact Sally anyways and get her in there!I rescued a mom and some of her pups from SD. She was non-AKC registered-APRI and her pups had APRI puppy papers. Her official registered name was Bambi J. She responded to Bambi so I kept it and she is in the database as Jen's Bambi Surprise. Her offspring are Jen's Bowie Surprise, Jen's Brodie Surpise and Jen's Brassy Surprise in the database. All of their APRI registration numbers are in the database. Jennifer
Ya she is actually APRI.
her reg name is Missy Kalahari Singa. lol Her mom and dads names. well one of each haha. So how do you change her name from the papers to the database? Dont you have to have whats on the papers? just curious i didnt know you could do that. interesting to know And thats cute nice naming -
APRI is not a legit registery. It was stated by Puppymillers and BYB's so that they did not have to conform with AKC breeding requirements.
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I agree with you. i got her from a friend tho, after he bought her. I fell in love with her and she is just a house pet. We dont breed her. I look for AKC when looking for something more. But i know, and agree. Missy is just a house pet and will always stay that way
Oh, and she is Spayed now!
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Thank you for realizing we all want any b's you breed to be AKC and supportive of the breed standard.
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Thank you for realizing we all want any b's you breed to be AKC and supportive of the breed standard.
Thank you!Oh of course! There is no "real" registry other than the one and the only, AKC!
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Your Missy is in the database under her APRI registered name, although Singa is misspelled as Shenga. She is a half sister to my Bambi who I wrote about above. They have the same sire. Also, Bambi was bred to the one of the offspring of Missy, Benji Boy J. I am fairly certain that Benji Boy J was for sale along with the rest of the Bs.
Did you breed Missy? The pedigree of the sire, Spencer Congo is missing. Both sire and dam are listed as unknown. Would you happen to have his pedigree? There are no other offspring listed either.
Do you know of any eye problems in any related dogs? Bambi has a cataract that is presumed to be juvenile according to the opthalmologist. Thankfully no surgery is needed. One offspring has PPM and other eye problems.
How about esophagus/digestive problems? The same offspring with the PPM has an esophagus motility issue along with digestive problems.
Probably many of the related dogs are still in the SD/MN/IA/NE region. Although I believe the Decker dogs were rescued. The remaining dogs sold in SD went to a commercial breeder in NE. Kuehne lived in MN and from what I have researched is that he used APRI registry for his dogs.
Jennifer
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Your Missy is in the database under her APRI registered name, although Singa is misspelled as Shenga. She is a half sister to my Bambi who I wrote about above. They have the same sire. Also, Bambi was bred to the one of the offspring of Missy, Benji Boy J. I am fairly certain that Benji Boy J was for sale along with the rest of the Bs.
Yes i know it is spelled wrong, I told Sally and she said shell fix it as soon as she can. Ok i dont know about the half sisters. And about the APRI thing, she was meant just as a companion and we didnt actually intend on breeding her. I wouldnt breed again if it wasnt AKC and I didnt the background of the dogs.I dont know ANYTHING about Missys past. I got her from a friend and as a pet. We never did any testing on her (as this was ALONG time ago and i honestly didnt know there were tests that needed to be done. I admit i was stupid, but I was 11-12. All I wanted was a puppy to keep. Yes Benji boy WAS or sale, We sold the whole litter, except for the puppy we kept.
Did you breed Missy? The pedigree of the sire, Spencer Congo is missing. Both sire and dam are listed as unknown. Would you happen to have his pedigree? There are no other offspring listed either.
Yes we did. on time, i dont know how old she was. I guess according to the paperwork, she would have been 2. I dont know anything about the stud. he was just a local dog that I happen to find. I was shocked to find another Basenji in town, let alone an unneutered Basneji! So we asked his owners and we bred her. Then i guess the owners werent very smart because the following winter he died. I guess his owner said he froze to death!!:mad:
It made me very sad that they would let their dog die but I couldnt do anything about his death. Its so sad but it happens in the world as much as all of us would wish otherwiseDo you know of any eye problems in any related dogs? Bambi has a cataract that is presumed to be juvenile according to the opthalmologist. Thankfully no surgery is needed. One offspring has PPM and other eye problems.
I do not know of any with missy. She seems pretty healthy and happy. She is almost 11 and is very healthy for her age. You can sometimes see the age in her but mostly she acts like a 3 year old! lol In offspring, do you mean like Benji boy or Bambi's other puppies?
How about esophagus/digestive problems? The same offspring with the PPM has an esophagus motility issue along with digestive problems.
I dont know of any digestive problems. Thats so sad
Is it ok?Probably many of the related dogs are still in the SD/MN/IA/NE region. Although I believe the Decker dogs were rescued. The remaining dogs sold in SD went to a commercial breeder in NE. Kuehne lived in MN and from what I have researched is that he used APRI registry for his dogs.
I would love to find them. I dont know how i would go about doing so tho. Oh they did?! Where is this breeder in NE? What is the "decker dogs" and the "hofer dogs" I dont understand this. Ya im not sure. We just sold our puppies to families. Honestly if i could have gone back and done it right i would do it in a heart beat. but i am interested in knowing where the dogs are now. Is there a way you could send me a picture of Benji Boy J? I would REALLY love nothing more than to see what he turned out to be.
Well I hope to hear from you again. if you would like to post off forums id love to speak with you some more. email podhradsky@live.com Thanks! talk to ya soon
I am just being as honest as i can be so please, this is in regards to everyone, dont insult or bash me because of what happened in the past.
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Miss Podhradsky, we all learn…and when we know better, we DO better.
You can't beat yourself up for the past, but you can make sure your "ducks are in a row" if you decide to breed in the future.
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Miss Podhradsky, we all learn…and when we know better, we DO better.
You can't beat yourself up for the past, but you can make sure your "ducks are in a row" if you decide to breed in the future.
You do sound like a very kind person. I hope everyone here understands that...Yes its true, we learn as we grow. You can bet ur bottom if i do breed my ducks will be straight as arrows in a well formed line
heheThank you very much. Its very nice that you can see that. I appreciate it. You seem like a wonderful person too
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Benji Boy J along with 9 other Bs were sold at an auction on March 11, 2007 at Miller Livestock Auction Barn in Miller, SD. The seller was Sandra Bremer of Sandy's Puppy Palace of Highmore, SD. She was a breeder/dealer supposedly getting out of the business because it was a Kennel Dispersal Auction of approximately 100 dogs. I could not take many notes like I usually do because there was no room in this place and the people there knew I was an outsider. It was wall to wall people because this was the first and so far the only time a dog auction was held in SD. Usually the registration numbers are in the catalog but they were not. I was able to obtain sire and dams for all the Bs though but did not have enough time to write down registration numbers which I am sure all the dogs were APRI. The adult breeding Bs were all older with DOB's from Dec 1999-December 2002. The females came from Daniel Kuehne, a USDA licensed breeder of Reading, MN. Perhaps Benji Boy J was owned by Kuehne also. In February 2008 he had 200 dogs living in the barn kennel building.
I drove from OH to try to rescue the mom and her pups and I was able to get only 3 pups though as I did not have enough cash on hand for the fourth. I had to pay sales tax on the dogs which I never had to do before in other states. The brindles were pricier than the other colors and Bambi, the mom was brindle and so was the only female pup. Also, having the blue eye (PPM) caused the bidding to go higher for the male pup!
Benji Boy J's chip number is 025-121-299 and he was sold for $100. I am certain all the remaining Bs went to a man from NE, in the northern part of the state. I did hear that the person who bought them were rough with them when trying to get them in the vehicle. It was definitely not me!
Sandra Bremer did have her USDA "B" license cancelled in 2008 but obtained a new license in 2009.
A rescuer from SD was able to look at the dogs before the auction and my understanding was that the dogs were kept in a barn and the conditions were not too good.
Jennifer
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Benji Boy J along with 9 other Bs were sold at an auction on March 11, 2007 at Miller Livestock Auction Barn in Miller, SD. The seller was Sandra Bremer of Sandy's Puppy Palace of Highmore, SD. She was a breeder/dealer supposedly getting out of the business because it was a Kennel Dispersal Auction of approximately 100 dogs. I could not take many notes like I usually do because there was no room in this place and the people there knew I was an outsider. It was wall to wall people because this was the first and so far the only time a dog auction was held in SD. Usually the registration numbers are in the catalog but they were not. I was able to obtain sire and dams for all the Bs though but did not have enough time to write down registration numbers which I am sure all the dogs were APRI. The adult breeding Bs were all older with DOB's from Dec 1999-December 2002. The females came from Daniel Kuehne, a USDA licensed breeder of Reading, MN. Perhaps Benji Boy J was owned by Kuehne also. In February 2008 he had 200 dogs living in the barn kennel building.
Oh my gosh this is aweful! well i am the breeder of Benji if he is missy's puppy, born on nov 3 2002, red and white male, father spencer congo. Missy has only been bred once and i had her her whole life (beside before she was a year but my friend got her as a puppy and i know he never bred her) So that is a lie (not you, but her saying that) That is sad tho. I bet there would be alot of people since SD is a small place to get dogs like this (tho its not a reason to cram into an auction for first bid) and DO you know the sire and dam of Benji boy J is infact "Missy Kalahari Singa and Spencer Congo"? because i bred a male dog named Spencer to missy, whos reg name is Missy Kalahari Singa, so i am undoubtedly certain Benji is her puppy and i would be the breeder (only being 11 it wasnt done well i admit) That is SOOO sad tho. How can people possibly take care of 200 dogs…simply put they cant.
poor dogs. Thank you for this, its very interesting to know. I wonder if the other puppies from the litter were in that too? Did you happen to see if any other ones belonged to the breeding pair?I drove from OH to try to rescue the mom and her pups and I was able to get only 3 pups though as I did not have enough cash on hand for the fourth. I had to pay sales tax on the dogs which I never had to do before in other states. The brindles were pricier than the other colors and Bambi, the mom was brindle and so was the only female pup. Also, having the blue eye (PPM) caused the bidding to go higher for the male pup!
That is too bad
I hate that people can be so greedy with a dogs life At least you were able to rescue 3 of them.Benji Boy J's chip number is 025-121-299 and he was sold for $100. I am certain all the remaining Bs went to a man from NE, in the northern part of the state. I did hear that the person who bought them were rough with them when trying to get them in the vehicle. It was definitely not me!
I never microchipped him so he had to have been done after he was adopted from us. 100? That is just ridiculous. Poor Benji. UHG!!! I am soo mad at myself for having a litter. All this time i thought they were in good homes, and now to hear this just breaks my heart
it makes me so sad. Im glad someone like you ended up with him tho, at least he can live out his years to pass along happy. That is horrible! Do you have the name of the man in NE?Sandra Bremer did have her USDA "B" license cancelled in 2008 but obtained a new license in 2009.
That is sad.
A rescuer from SD was able to look at the dogs before the auction and my understanding was that the dogs were kept in a barn and the conditions were not too good.
That is really too bad. I know now that if i do ever breed in the future it will NEVER happen like this again. Ill be sure to care for them properly and keep in contact with the owners. UGGGHHH! this frustrates me soo much. I cant imagine where the other puppies ended up hmm sighThank you for this information. I truely appreciate it. if you ever hear from another puppy/puppies from that breeding PLEASE let me know. Id like to know they are all ok, or at least find out what happened to them and where they ended up. I am happy Benji boy is ok now and in a safe home. I sincerely thank you for saving his life. I just hope/wish the rest of them were that lucky.
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I apologize but I did not rescue Benji Boy J. I am certain he went to NE with the rest of the female Bs as he was the only adult breeding male. I only rescued Bambi and three of her pups. I do not have the name of the man who bought the Bs. You may want to contact Sandra Bremer who sold the Bs at the auction to find out who bought them and/or to find out where she obtained Benji Boy J. Let her know that you are the breeder of Benji Boy J.
Jennifer
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I am sorry, I'd be selling my stuff, tracking down my pups and buying them back. Everyone makes mistakes, but I think you have to fix what you can. I realize you were very young, but I'd have trouble sleeping thinking of a puppy I put here being in a bad situation.
