@elbrant - Nothing to verify, they put in the "ad" what the pup received... and also a Vet would not give out that information. Like I said below, I did fill out their requested form but have not received a response. My bet it someone already got scammed...sad to say
Animal crualty case in norway involving basenjis
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WOW… I knew about the Swedish case.. and I think too many are trying to "hide" what has been going on with that one.
Hoarding is bad even if on a small scale... dogs need proper care.
If once can't care for them properly, then they should not have animals.I am shocked that this is happening in Norway as well. And both with basenjis.. that is horrible.
Keep us updated on how it is going.
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This is not a basenjibreeder originally - she just got two basenjis and bred from them - she has been breeding a larger dog previously.
Khanis: Yeah, I know about that case to, but I can't say what is right and what is wrong there - I just know that several basenjibreeders in sweeden stands behind her and helps her.
I think there are lots more cases that we don't know about - but the media here is more willing to cover the cases now and that makes it easyer for animal controll and the police to react and keep the support from "the people".
The police is not very populare here in most dog cases. Using resorses to keep a american staffordshire locket up and going through 2 trials to get him put down befor they gave up (they hade one mor chance to apeel) - even when the owner isn't norwegians and calims they didt not know about the ban, and was willing to send him out of the contry. That case lasted for over a year.
We, both the public and the police and the animal controll have lots to learn 'cos I think we will see more and more cases like this in the future.
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Just dropping by to say that everything worked out fine today - and the puppyboy (who still is namless) is here with me, and the girl safe in her temporary home untill her knew owners come on friday.
Too tired to give all dirty details to night.
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Anette, rest and let us know how it goes.
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Just dropping by to say that everything worked out fine today - and the puppyboy (who still is namless) is here with me, and the girl safe in her temporary home untill her knew owners come on friday.
Too tired to give all dirty details to night.
Great job Anette!
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Okey - here we go. It apperas that animal controll have been inspecting this lady since 2001. I have "known" her as a nick on norwegian dog forums for several years. On nett she came a cross as a dogperson who knew dogs and how to handle them. With strickt opinions that would not budge - ever.
In 2006 animal controll got a "report" that one of the dogs had been shot several times in the head and still lived the next day (then they shot it again). (The cadaver and bones and scull of this dog has been found at the property later and it shows 4 bullet holes in the head - non of them hit the brain).
In 2008 animal controll reports the lady to the police, saying that she is not taking properly care of the dogs. The report says for example that there is a high mortalityrate amongst the dogs, several are sick and ungroomed. In february this year animal controll finds 48 dogs on her property. They also found a lots of veternary medicine including medicin to put dogs down.
In may this year animal controll and the police goes in and fremoves 24 dogs on her property, inkluding 6 puppies. 3 has to been put down on the property due to agression.
They find 23 dog cadavers on the property, burried. She admitts to have thrown a 3-4 week old puppy at the wall to kill it because of epileptic seisures. (This she actually told me about yesterday) Claiming she had no other option.
They found 15 dead puppies enn her frezer - she said the died of an bacteria infection - this is possible.
In the Norwegian Cennel Klub she has been registrering 163 dogs since 1997 . 57 of this dogs is imposible to trace, and she will not say what have happend to them.
I'll just add links to pictures - they are not! pretty - not for the faint hearted:
Dead dog that show signs of abuse
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00588/kadaver1_588473i.jpgDog cranium with multiple bullet holes:
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00588/kadaver4_588476a.jpgDog cadavers:
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00588/kadaver2_588474p.jpghttp://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00588/kadaver3_588475p.jpg
This is the shelter for dogs that lives out side all year. The breed Kaukasisk ovtcharka
is a tough and big breed but this is not enough:
http://media.aftenposten.no/archive/00782/_0001111342_jpg_782403x.jpgThe breeds on the property at that point was kaukasisk ovtcharka, birard, doberman and miniature pinscher.
And it does not stopp here…
In may 2009 she starts a rehoming service. Norwegian TV2 makes a story and some of the previous owners recoginze their dogs and wants them back, som are given back but at least on is found dead.
25th november 2009 animal controll and police goies in and retrieves 11 dogs. 1 is allready sold and is picked up by the new owner the following day. 1 basenji femal (and she is SO young - I was told that she was not even a year old when she got the puppies
) 3 puppies and 1 male basenji. The male is given away at this point. All 3 basenji puppies are out (on is her - still searching for a new home - but I cant advertize him just yet - so... ) The basenjimum and the other 5 dogs are rehomed on temporary contrackts that says that whenever she is clared or the apeel has ben acrepted - she can get them back. She offerd me a deal like that on the red girl - but ofcourse I said no.So... we just have to wait and see if there is going to be a new trial and what commes out of that. I know that animal controll will not give up easily.
Oh, yeah - the lady is Aud Stokman who has/had? Little Merlin as a kennel prefix.
Here is the artikle where she came "out" with name and pictures - claming she has been brainwashed:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4016/4367729482_f37e5d1c00_o.jpg -
Oh my g… This is just horrible! The pics made me so sad..
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Thank you - it feels right. I'm not going to keep him, but he is absollutly lovley! So I hope we will find the perfect home for him fast.
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Anette, first off, I think you did a wonderful thing getting the puppyout of her care..
second, wow..I can not believe this has been going on since 2001..but yet I can.
If Norway is anything like Sweden on red tape and politics, this can take forever and many puppies will suffer before the right person gets caught and punished.What do you think her odds are of not being convicted? I sure hope zero to none..she needs to be punished severly for her actions.
Those pictures brought tears tp me eyes..poor babies. I realize maybe some of them died of natural causes, but why keep them in your freezer?again, Thank you for doing what you believed in..
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I really don't know what the odds are, she is 100% sure that she will be cleared, animal controll didn't want to give med a number - but over 50% for sure that she will be convicted.
I hope with all of my heart that she gets convictet or that her apeal is rejected. Previous cases have most of them been clear in "lagmannsretten" (the secon trial) after being convicted in "tingretten" (the first court instance). And if she gets cleared or reduced sentence in the next round I think animal controll will apeal to supreme court (H?yesterett).
And yes, Norway has a lot of "paper work" and I think they have been scared to take this to court because of the extent of the case. There have been a lot of internal conflickts within the animal controll during the case, and at some point the leader in some other local branches of animal controll and animal wellfare stepped down from their position in protest against her getting her dogs back. (there was a posibility at some point that she would be allowed to get her dogs that was taken from her in 2008 back.)
And, I hope that this case will go all the way in the court systme and maybe be set as a presidence for similar cases later. And of course with the outcome that she will never, ever, have animals again.
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I sure hope that too..time will tell. At least you got some dogs out of there, that is a good thing.
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Time for some update on this case. The lady's apeal was denied in "lagmansretten" - and her only option now is a new apeal to High court. This is very very good news! She will apeal, however, it is not very likly that that will help her. She sais that her next option is to move out of Norway.
The sad side of this case is that as long as her case is up in the court system, she is allowed to have dogs, and at this very moment she has three mixed breeds. And I know that she is looking for a new basenji. So my advice to every breeder who get a request from norway for a puppy is to check her with the norwegian basenji club. (or me, or any well known breeder in norway.)
Tric has moved to a new home, and his new owner is very pleased with him.
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Anette, thanks for the update..hopefully she gets what she deserves, meanwhile I hope her dogs are safe while in her care..
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Okay, I had to pass on looking at the pictures. Anette, how giving of you to come forward to rescue these basenjis. You did the right thing - putting money in her pocket has nothing to do with it - you saved the dogs. I totally believe in karma, and this lady will have her good share of bad karma. What comes around goes around.
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Thanks for the update
could you please encourage Tric's new parents to join the forum. I enjoyed the pics of him so much
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New update in this case. High court rejected her apeal! We're so happy! But its not over yet - she is not giving up dogs, so she is on the move to sweden. I don't know how the swedish law is regarding this case. The swedish kennel club and basenji club are notified, and I dont think there is anymore we can do now.
Trics owner is very happy with him, but she is not a "forum"person.
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I believe this is the lady Ariel was taken away from.
Ariel:
EDIT: Yes, after reading through this topic I am almost 100% sure it is. Especially reading about the freezer, the owner told me about that.
Thing is this Aud, lady had stolen Ariel. She had not payed the breeder for her. Ariels owner managed to track down that she was from a Swedish breeder, and once the breeder heard of Ariel she wanted her money!
Last from what I heard she (Aud) has already several new dogs, all bought from Sweden…makes me sick.
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I believe this is the lady Ariel was taken away from.
If she is a young, red and white, basenji female - she is Tric's mother. Are you the owner? Or is the owner on this forum?
More info - please!
Edit: Aw she is beautifull!
New Edit: Yes, I know the story, and it is Trics mum. Its horrible. Aud has several new dogs, and she is in a hurry to move to sweden, if she stay her, the police will take her new dogs since she is not allowed to have dogs. I was in contact with the leader in the swedis basenji club and got info on Ariel and her father (who is also Tric's father). Hope Ariel is doing well and finally have got the home she deserve.
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Yeah, she is young, around 17 months. Was breed with pretty early, and with her father if I remember correctly. I don't know what the seriousness is when dogs are inbred, but I would have Tric fully tested…
No I'm not the owner, just know her via the dogpark.
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Yes Ariel has a great new "mom". That other dog you see with her is a new member of the family, and Ariel LOVES him. She has a great new home, I can assure you that.I don't have much more info, what is it you want to know? I did make a topic with several pictures of Ariel and Gizmo.
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Tric was never intended to live with me, and he got a new home in trondheim around easter, he has two sisters, one in kristiansand (r/w) and one somewhere in vestfold (tricolour) I know the owners. I've told Tric, Totiki and Limas new owners everything I know so how much they will test them is up to them.
Tric:
And Tric with Kasko and Kahlo (my two dogs)
And I am SO glad to hear that Ariel has a good home. Really!
