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@Petra:

Hi friends!
I am sure all of you just want to help Pearl. But….I do understand english well and some of you started to not answear on "teeth or fight" question, but with responsibility questions and breeding ethics. I know it belongs to all this, but maybe Pearl knows all about it and just needed some another opinion about her bitches bite.

While I think the people in this forum are attempting to help Pearl, at this point, wouldn't she be better off getting an opinion from a Vet or breed club in her country who could actually look at the teeth in question. Yes some people here might have answered with responsible breeding ethics in mind but that kind of goes along with the territory. There are many of us concerned that the Basenji Breed is preserved and responsible breeding takes place. I not think you can fault the members on this chat forum for that. I think it would be interesting to know why your friend Pearl wishes to breed Basenji's and what she thinks she can bring to the breed by doing so? It other words, does she have a specific purpose?

Jason

Hi everyone! Have been away with my kids… And now I need to sleep so I'm getting up tomorrow to milk the cows...
I hope I can fix the photos tomorrow!

I understand now that I need to look much more for the "perfect" Basenji! Mabye I'm "blue eyed" who imagine that the breeder tell everything....

perhaps I shall buy an older Basenji? I really like to show them! But it looks like my little "star" never will be something to show...
Good night!

But my question was IF some one know something about it!!!

@Pearl:

But my question was IF some one know something about it!!!

I believe a few of us have said that we didn't think it would correct itself and since it is genetic, it can come up in generations later. Unless she is excellent in all other respects I would not take the chance with breeding her.

It was an reaction on DomicDom1….
I shall of course not breed on her if shes not ok!!!!!
I'm not stupid! But when I got her my plan was to expand my kennel....

Here is what is so hard about bites. Each Jaw is actually genetically in a different position on the DNA strand. If the head shape and jaw are different in the parents - you increase the odds that you will have difficulty in at least some of the puppies. That makes bad bites harder to breed out and means that you can have many generations and the dogs bites could be fine and then get one where they are not. Different combinations that produce randomly is something that breeders have trouble with.

In the US - no cosmetic adjustment is allowed to show your dog. That however has not stopped people from putting rubber bands on the teeth to pull them into alignment or consulting a doggie dentist for braces. Again - it is NOT allowed, and people who forget to take off the bands or who have any pieces or braces left when they show get in big trouble - but it is done. I have judged where a bite is quite off and a year later perfect and puppy teeth and growing were not an explanation.

If you feel that the bite interferes with her health and ability to eat for example or contributes to other dental issues - consulting with an animal dental specialist would be in order - but as you already know - not the best breeding prospect.

@dmcarty:

I have judged where a bite is quite off and a year later perfect and puppy teeth and growing were not an explanation.

Diane, so as a judge, what can you do when you have this situation. Is your only recourse to not put the dog up?

@renaultf1:

Diane, so as a judge, what can you do when you have this situation. Is your only recourse to not put the dog up?

Not Diane, but since it is NOT a DQ in our breed… the judge has to decide what "weight" it holds against the rest of the standard.

@tanza:

Not Diane, but since it is NOT a DQ in our breed… the judge has to decide what "weight" it holds against the rest of the standard.

Even when the judge is sure the dog had dental work done…interesting.

I don't know that a judge can be sure that dental work was done unless they find evidence on the teeth that they were manipulated. They can highly suspect that it was but without evidence all they can do is judge the dog on the day.

Thanks Lisa & Pat! Once again, great info!

@dmcarty:

Here is what is so hard about bites. Each Jaw is actually genetically in a different position on the DNA strand. If the head shape and jaw are different in the parents - you increase the odds that you will have difficulty in at least some of the puppies. That makes bad bites harder to breed out and means that you can have many generations and the dogs bites could be fine and then get one where they are not. Different combinations that produce randomly is something that breeders have trouble with.

In the US - no cosmetic adjustment is allowed to show your dog. That however has not stopped people from putting rubber bands on the teeth to pull them into alignment or consulting a doggie dentist for braces. Again - it is NOT allowed, and people who forget to take off the bands or who have any pieces or braces left when they show get in big trouble - but it is done. I have judged where a bite is quite off and a year later perfect and puppy teeth and growing were not an explanation.

If you feel that the bite interferes with her health and ability to eat for example or contributes to other dental issues - consulting with an animal dental specialist would be in order - but as you already know - not the best breeding prospect.

Her bite isn't interferes her, so NO it will not be fixt! And I liked your answer! I just need to find a new puppy with the same dad and an more "look a like" mother! Because I love my dogs father!!! And she is very like her father apart from the bite…

And mabye more breeders need to know that they need to be "look a like", the parents. My breeder didn't consider that! They are not att all "look a like"!

It is "funny" that I wan't thinking about that. I always breed with an male similar to my femaile Jack russel! But I have learn something on the way! unfortunately the hard way...

If there are parts of braces left in the mouth - we dq and indicate why. If we saw the animal before and bite was bad and then see the animal again and bite is good - we really typically have no way of knowing until we are done judgeing and see the book. Then we know that we have seen the animal before but by then we have judged the dog that day.

re; how much weight. All things being equal - without a DQ for bite - I would put up the animal that I felt fit the standard and function of the breed - bite might be a factor but would not be the only factor. The degree to which is it 'off' is also a factor - just how important would it be? If a breed for example has a function that requires it to catch and hold prey - bite would be more important than a breed that is a lap dog.

So I try to fix the pictures…

I hope they are ok!
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It look like the computer dosn't want to be om my side to day.. My best pictures on my little angel will not come up her…
So here is she anyway...
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Yes you may have learned something along the way but I would not say unfortunately you still will have a great Basenji to love. Thanks for staying with us.

Rita Jean

Pearl ,i know nothing abour good/bad bites but wouls like to say what a pretty little girl you have. Thanks for the pics.

Yes we love her!!!
And now she and I enters the obedience class instead!!!!

And we have a plan for the future.. Lure crusing!!!!

Good night!

She is very cute, but looking at the photo's of her teeth, in my opinion, this will not correct itself and if she were mine, I would not breed her.

Houston

Pearl, she is very pretty. I love her headshot.
Lurecoursing sound like so much fun, I will have to look into that as well with Otis..

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