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Dogs As Smart as 2-Year old
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First sorry if I placed this in the incorrect place.
Please read this Yahoo news, live science.com
Dogs as Smart as 2-Year-Old KidsPage two at almost the bottom of the page.
"Quote" At the bottom of the intelligence barrel, Coren would include many of the hounds, such as the bassett hound and the Afghan hound, along with the bulldog, beagle and basenji (a hunting dog)
"It's important to note that these breeds which don't do as well ten to be considerably older breeds," he said. "They were developed when the task of a hound was to find something by smell or sight." These dogs might fare better on tests of so-called instinctive intelligence, which measure how well dogs do what they are bred to do.
Wait tell you see top dogs and the order of their doggy IQ.
Can hardly wait to hear from all of you.
Rita Jean
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I just came on to post this… I take this guy's research with a grain of salt. Benny is the smartest dog i've ever come across. I was expecting to see Basenjis near the top of the chart.
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They did this report before.. They said that the judges were judging on "Obedience intelligence". I think the guy doing the study just misappropriated his words, "intelligence" not the correct term for what he was measuring. And if I'm wrong, and he is so simplistic to judge intelligence from following commands - well that just shows his own grievous lack of mental process. AS we all know, our dogs have sharp little minds and are extremely adaptable.
hey, but lets enjoy the stigma, keeps this breed in the dark and further away from the impulse buy. -
Yeah, we have seen that evaluation before..in fact, I think it says the poll was given to 'obedience judges'…so that tells you right away that it isn't the kind of smarts we are talking about. Coren DOES say in this article that the dogs that are at the top of the list have been shaped by humans for thousands of years to help us...and the dogs that are at the bottom didn't need to be shaped because they naturally helped us hunt our food. So I think the article was taken out of context to his research. He is a really smart guy...and I think he knows a smart dog when he sees one
But it still smarts to see our dogs called the 'bottom of the barrell'....seriously...try living with one....
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Ha, ha…I used the word 'smart' like a billion times in my post....I hate that word, it is so overused, and vague.
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:)There has to be superior brain power for them to manipulate us poor humans like they do
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Maybe this guy needs to be with a Basenji for a few days he might just learn he is not as smart. Manipulate not word my husband was laughing at me this morning I was sitting in the livingroom and there is a table next to the chair and I was eating breakfast. Jaycee got tried of watching from down low so she placed upon the table. We have never had a dog do this. No she did not get into trouble we just let her sit there. I am sure this will now be her new spot in the livingroom.
Rita Jean
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Here's the link to the article, if you haven't read it already…
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/08/07/smart.dogs/index.html -
Part of the problem with this study is who they asked. I'd like more information about methods these judges have used to train dogs. I'd bet that most of these obedience people used compulsive methods, which, well, it's no wonder the basenjis didn't excell at that. Attitude in a trainer counts for a LOT. If I can't train my basenjis to do something, I figure I have to do something different. (And if you don't know me, I've trained my basenjis to do a LOT! Digital, the brindlewonderkid, has around 30 titles to his name; Jet the tri-ing has around 15; Zest is my up-and-coming Superstar and will be brilliant, but you'd be impressed with what she already knows.) Many trainers don't/won't/can't do something different. Sad. I haven't found my basenjis harder to train than my malinoises (or whatever the plural of malinois is). The basenjis, however, do make me work harder to motivate them.
You will also see in the article that sometimes the "dumber" dogs are easier to live with. Well, take a look around, I don't think anyone will say that, as a breed, basenjis are easy to live with.
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But I wouldnt want to live without them
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- 1 w/ agilebasenji
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There's blind obedience intelligence, then there's Basenji/hound intelligence.
The difference I think is the Basenji's obedience pleases himself first, and their family partners/pack, second. The "more intelligent breeds" have owners/masters they must please first and foremost. (ie…my ex-BILaw had an award winning Chessie; she was devoted to him. Did anything he ever asked her. Water and field championships. Cert. in service as well. Until her very last days (3 to be exact) she was never allowed in the house. She slept, ate, and amused herself in the garage, alone.
)I'm not sure that what I'm really trying to say is coming across. :o I appreciate a well trained dog with the best of them. But does trainability/obedience really equate with intelligence? Let's face it, we've all worked with a human or two that was trainable, perhaps even compliant (ie. obedient) but was as dumb as a box of rocks!!:eek:
Our hounds can think for themselves. They can, without training, open doors, windows, cabinets. Work out puzzles and problems and create their own solutions. Open/shut doors, ring bells for attention, care for the sick, and mourn for their losses.
I'm sure many here have examples of the independent intelligence (sans training) inherent in our breed.:)
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There is a difference between "smart" and smart..Basenjis are smart, in my opinion, because they do not need the approval of humans to thrive, other dog breeds are smart because we can train them to do what we want them to do..what's so smart about that?
For instance, Otis learned how to open the door to the trash cabinet, so he doesn't have to bother us to open it for him…now that is smart, now he can dig in the trash without disturbing us..Brilliant.
Where as other dogs run and get a ball we threw..shouldn't we go get it since we threw it? -
I'm guessing these dogs would be smarter than most 2year olds.
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I'm guessing these dogs would be smarter than most 2year olds.
Interesting article. I'd imagine life around there must be quite interesting with stray dogs riding the trains like normal commuters.
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wow, that was interesting indeed.
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There is a difference between "smart" and smart..Basenjis are smart, in my opinion, because they do not need the approval of humans to thrive, other dog breeds are smart because we can train them to do what we want them to do..what's so smart about that?
For instance, Otis learned how to open the door to the trash cabinet, so he doesn't have to bother us to open it for him…now that is smart, now he can dig in the trash without disturbing us..Brilliant.
Where as other dogs run and get a ball we threw..shouldn't we go get it since we threw it?Good points Petra! LOL!
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Of course Basenjis are smart.
My B is half way there to becoming an interior designer. :rolleyes:
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I want a bumper sticker that says My Basenji is smarter than your (insert dog breed here). Becaue it would be the truth. I have to rotate the styles on my child saftey locks every 6 months on all my cabinets because my guys figure them out. Mine have also know how to open up their own canned food, and I am not talking about the kind with pop top rings on it either. Sure a lab/****er etc and bring you a can of food from the cupboard but mine can actually open the damn can. Who's the smart one here?
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Sign me up for one of those bumper stickers too. I can't believe (well I guess I can, they are B's after all ;)) they have figured out how to open the cans..that sounds dangerous..there is no telling what they learn next..
