@jkent - My Franie has phantom pregnancy, but hers comes to light about 60 to 70 days after her cycle which would be after she would have had babies (and she has never been bred). She attaches herself to ONE toy and only when she is this the cycle. She carries it around, crying, digging, and she will put the toy to bed in her crate and then come sleep in bed.. LOL! She knows exactly were this "baby is" every year... and this has been going on for 12 years... LOL. She put this baby away until the next year (in the toy box). This lasts for about two weeks, give or take.
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Obviously a vet who has never met a dog like Nicky. When he had the flu at around 2 years old, our vet at the time wanted to keep him overnight on IV fluids so he wouldn't get dehydrated. They called 2 1/2 hours later to say, "We gave him sub cutaneous fluids, you need to come get him now." Upon pick up we were told when no one was in the room with him he would chew through the IV and then when the put an Elizabethan collar on him he chewed that too. He went through 5 IVs and 2 E collars.
Our current vet who did his neuter last year, had him come in early for bloodwork. They called me an hour ealier than expected to say he was recovering quickly from his anesthesia and I should come and get him now. They told me, he had to spend his entire morning doing charts with the vet because he refused to be in a room by himself and would howl loud enough for the neighbors to be concerned. Once he started waking up the howling started again. My vet feels that dogs do best at home overnight. The owners are home watching them and they are more comfortable and relaxed. This is definately the case with Nicky who has been banned from the boarding kennel and in general is just miserable away from his pack.
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Yes, I sure remember that story about Nicky… LOL... and my Vet that sees quite a few Basenjis in this area have agreements with everyone... when they call to tell you to come pick them up, you have 15 minutes to get there... (VBG).... and my Vet too considers them better off at home for recovery... even when my Kristii had a liver tumor removed last year and was "split" stem to stern, she was only in overnight, next morning as soon as they watched her eat, I was called to get her... and this surgery was done at a very large 24/7 clinic that my regular Vet refers too...
I guess my point is to really question "why" they would keep a spay/neuter overnight? I think it is pretty pointless and just adds money to the bill. -
I do not know what the average cost of spay or neuter is - we paid $140 for Duke's. I asked how much extra I am paying for the "overnight". They said nothing extra - the fee for neutering is $140 and the overnight is a service inclusive with the neuter. They strongly advised the overnight for reasons noted in my last post. But, since this procedure isn't a yearly event, I would not be aware of normal protocol. Your suggestions make sense and is good to bring awareness on behalf of new owners of Basenjis since they are a strong feisty breed.
The story about Nicky cracked me up. He is a real noise maker at the vet. Well - thinking back to July 15th the day of his neuter and discovering he is a Basenji, I called the vet's office early next morning around 8 am to check on him. They told me he was doing very well . . . I can come pick him up. (their normal pickup time was supposed to be after 3 pm.) The gals in the office all gave me compliments about him and how cute and sweet he is. I bet they say that to ALL dog owners. I wonder now if the OK for early pick up was because of his Basenji-ism or because that was my 3rd phone call.
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Well after a few postponements, Joey will be entering "The World of It" next week. His neuter is scheduled for "same day take out" including his dew claw removal and microchip. The surgery is all done by lazer. I took Joey in last week for his presurgery appt/first time appt and they all commented on how he was so social and low key compared to other basenjis they knew. I learned that they have treated Bs before. Before I could open my mouth, the vet tech and vet were chatting all about Bs. I feel comfortable with leaving Joey in their hands. Oh and one thing I forgot to ask…how much? When I find out, I will post. Maybe this will shed some light on Jill's costs.
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Well after a few postponements, Joey will be entering "The World of It" next week. His neuter is scheduled for "same day take out" including his dew claw removal and microchip. The surgery is all done by lazer. I took Joey in last week for his presurgery appt/first time appt and they all commented on how he was so social and low key compared to other basenjis they knew. I learned that they have treated Bs before. Before I could open my mouth, the vet tech and vet were chatting all about Bs. I feel comfortable with leaving Joey in their hands. Oh and one thing I forgot to ask…how much? When I find out, I will post. Maybe this will shed some light on Jill's costs.
Joey,
I have a question for you…Your boy is a little over a year and you are having him neutered. My breeder recommended me to wait a year before I have him neutered. Here's the question and it is going to sound strange. How do you keep them from humping things. Will they continue to even after they are neutered. I have never owned a boy dog and am concerened that I will have to deal with that. Any suggestions? Sorry if this sounds aquward.
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Why do you have to wait until they're a year old? I was told that the earlier the better but not until the testicles were fully desended. I'm not a vet, but that is what was recommended. Duke was neutered at 6 months. No problems. He did hump - everytime he played and greeted, people, toys and dogs -
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I got Max at about 3 mos old I think. I had a two yr old spayed female german shep mix at the time. When he started humping her, my vet at that time told me to take him by the scruff of the neck and shake a little and tell him no to teach him that this was inappropriate behavior (he said that's what mothers do to their puppies to stop improper behavior–well--they don't say no--but the taking by the scruff of the neck. After a few times of this--he did pretty much stop humping, and I did have him neutered at 6 mos as soon as his testicles had descended. I never had any problems with him humping anything. Does anyone have an opnion on the shaking by the scruff of the neck??--not hard mind you. This was 16 yrs ago I was told to do this. I've never been around a mom and her puppies to see how they treat the pups.
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A lot of breeders suggest a year old, because you can be sure the dog is done growing. There is some research out there that indicates neutering a dog prior to its growth plates closing can change the structure of the dog. And there is also some research that indicates neutering a pup before their urinary tract is fully developed can lead to problems later with urinary tract infections and blocked stones….but IMO (I'm no vet!) six months is adequate to prevent those issues in Basenjis. I feel it is important to neuter pet males before they get in the habit of urine marking everything in site. I am not an advocate of very early spay and neuter though (as in desexing at 8 weeks).
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I never had a problem with Joey humping anything nor urine marking. I got Joey when he was 10 months and he was not neutered as the breeder was showing him. The breeder did say not to neuter him until he was a year and fully grown. This is why I have waited. He may have humped at the breeder, but I have not seen him do it since we have had him. He meets other dogs, but has not played with them off leash (we don't have a fenced yard) so I don't know if that has anything to do with not humping or not. Maybe Joey was trained by the breeder not to or it's something else. Just dont't know.
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Here is a a link to a good article about why spay/neuter is best left until after a year old. It is from the perspective of those who do performance events with their dogs but explains the structural effects early spay/neuter has. http://www.caninesports.com/SpayNeuter.html
I have not found humping to be much of a problem niether with my male nor with my mom's two males. I also have never had a problem with urine marking. My boy was actually easier to housetrain than the girls and doesn't even like peeing in our yard.
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I have seen many dog moms grab their pups by the scruff with their mouth to correct or to travel
I've also read a dog training book that also uses this method if the dog is not on lead to make the correction.The Dog Whisperer also does this with smaller dogs.
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OMG - Hope I didn't ruin him. He was over zealous and . . . well -embarrasing. Could have been the feisty terrier in him. Looks like from what I've read, including on other internet sites, 12 mos is the average recommendation due to growth. However, I thought no sooner than 6 mos of age and the sooner the better as it would be much easier on the dog.
What are "growth plates"?
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Thank you for the advice. It is a little embarassing to ask about this. The breeder stipulated this in the contract (waiting a year before neutering) because she wants to make sure he is fully developed.
As for the marking and humping <argh>I guess i'll have to just see what happens. (crossing my fingers) :)</argh> -
My experience has been that most male basenjis just don't like to mark in the house….but other breeds often will. The humping is often age related, or play/relationship realted...but neutering does seem to take care of it at whatever age the dog is. Querk humped inappropriate things when he was around 12 weeks, maybe?...once he matured, he only humps inanimate things (namely blankets or pillows) when our girls are at the peak of estrous. And he only lifted his leg in our house once; when we were moving into a new house, he thought to give it a try...he was quickly reprimanded, and it never happened again.
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Growth Plates are the part of the bone where new growth takes place. These plates close as an animal reaches maturity. Growth plates are located on the ends of long bones.
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Joey was neutered yesterday. He also had his dew claw removed and was microchipped. He is moving a bit slowly today. The vet did all the surgery with laser and "sutured" with "glue" not thread. He is not on any meds. I feel so badly for him as he wimpers now and then and sometimes lets out a little yelp! I will talk to the vet today, but have any of you given pain meds for this type of surgery?
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I will talk to the vet today, but have any of you given pain meds for this type of surgery?
Not usually, but I have never done a dew claw removal..that might be quite painful…if the behavior continues I wouldn't hesitate to ask about it.
I hope he feels better soon!
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Joey was neutered yesterday. He also had his dew claw removed and was microchipped. He is moving a bit slowly today. The vet did all the surgery with laser and "sutured" with "glue" not thread. He is not on any meds. I feel so badly for him as he wimpers now and then and sometimes lets out a little yelp! I will talk to the vet today, but have any of you given pain meds for this type of surgery?
JQ, we had three done this past Summer and the Vet gave us pain pills everytime.
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I remember asking for medication for pain when Duke had his surgery. I was told pain meds mask pain that would aid him in becoming active. So the theory is some discomfort is a good thing to help with the healing. I wasn't too happy with it. I then asked if I could give him Children's Motrin. They didn't think it would be necessary, but I got an OK. Just follow the weight based dosage on the label. I never did give him anything, because he was way too active without the Motrin.
I hope Joey will be feeling better tomorrow. I imagine the digit removal is the main cause of his pain and I do hope the vet will give him something.
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Joey was neutered yesterday. He also had his dew claw removed and was microchipped. He is moving a bit slowly today. The vet did all the surgery with laser and "sutured" with "glue" not thread. He is not on any meds. I feel so badly for him as he wimpers now and then and sometimes lets out a little yelp! I will talk to the vet today, but have any of you given pain meds for this type of surgery?
I had Max neutered at 6 months years ago (regular stitches), and they also removed his dew claws at that same time which required stitches also. When I went into the vet's office to pick him up, I thought he would hobble out in pain. He came charging out, jumping and running around like nothing had happened! He was not given any pain meds. The only thing that bothered him was wearing the e-collar afterwards. But he soon learned that it scared my older dog (who was the alpha)–and boy did he take advantage of that--running after her and shaking his head to get maximum advantage. He would even bump it up against the walls to startle her. But she got used to it after a couple of days, so Max's advantage was very temporary.
