I have had 15 - 20 adult female basenjis over the years, and 2 was the age when it seemed like they became their 'true adult selves.' (spayed/neutered or not)
I do not feel confident giving suggestions, just wanted you to know her age is typical for this to happen.
Basenji, I'm Overwhelmed…..HELP!!!
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I never could get Magnum used to his crate (although his breeder, when she was showing him, had no problems whatsoever…but, then again, he wasn't alone when he was with her...there were other Bs crated near him), although I gave it a wondrous try. Since I couldn't take off anymore time from work to work on the issue, my DH built him an indoor/outdoor kennel. Magnum still doesn't like to be alone, but handles it much better when he has room to roam (and an outdoor spot for those outdoor "activities.")
That said, I'm all for crating if it can be done, at least until the B has matured into a "responsible" adult. LOL!
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I hope our OP is still around. It seems to me that often basenjis go through a phase of crate-hating. I think Susan Garrett's dvd Crate Games could help, but I also agree with many of the other posters that if the pup is crated during a normal work day, being crated at night is too much. Sometimes pups perfer a wire to a plastic crate (or visa-versa), sometimes an xpen is needed if the dog needs a little more room. Zest now loves her crate, but she did go through a crate-hating phase. Feeding in the crate and Crate Games did help with that. She will still sometimes pitch a fit (ripping up bedding) if crated at work or agility trials, but at home she's very good and she's usually good in the car. As far as crating the pup while you take a shower, I would give Z a really good chewie and she'd come into the bathroom with me while I showered. Of course now she will run into the bathroom anytime I'm carrying clothes, but I don't mind.
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The day-time crating will have to be relearned (the Crate Games reference will definitely help) and made into a fun thing. It will take some work but can be done. Feed in crate (with door open at first if necessary), throw treats in crate so pup has to go in to retrieve, whatever to make it a fun place. The kong is also a wonderful invention. Make everything you do with the pup FUN FUN FUN.
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I have stopped crating him at night. It seems to be working better but while he's in the crate during the day does he ever stop screeching? He's screeching when I leave and screeching when i get back. please tell me he doesnt do that all day and also please tell me that he'll grow out of the screeching stage when my girlfriend and I aren't around.
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I have stopped crating him at night. It seems to be working better but while he's in the crate during the day does he ever stop screeching? He's screeching when I leave and screeching when i get back. please tell me he doesnt do that all day and also please tell me that he'll grow out of the screeching stage when my girlfriend and I aren't around.
As others have mentioned, it's something you'll have to work with your B on improving.
I don't know if he'll "grow out of it". More than likely it could get worse if left as-is. I only crated my Basenji for a week and a half until I realized it just wasn't meant to be. His anxiety got worse every day it seemed.
I think moving away from crating at night will help. There's no doubt about that, but you will have to do some crate training to improve the crating during the day. There is some great advice in this thread alone.
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I have stopped crating him at night. It seems to be working better but while he's in the crate during the day does he ever stop screeching? He's screeching when I leave and screeching when i get back. please tell me he doesnt do that all day and also please tell me that he'll grow out of the screeching stage when my girlfriend and I aren't around.
It's not just going to stop by itself. He could get used to it with time, like many have said, and doing things to make the crate a funner place for him will help also. You've just got to put in the effort. Then again, as also said, some don't ever like it apparently… You never know till you give it a good try though. There are many great ideas in the thread so far...
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Is he your only dog?
When I crate mine I always try to put another one in with them so they are not alone. If you have another friendly dog that could be company for him that would probably help a lot.
Also, how big is the crate? Does he have space to move around, play with his toys, a seperate area to pee on and one to sleep on? I think Maya's baby crate was about 4ft so she had plenty of room and didnt feel claustrophobic in it. She will now happily sleep (alone when necessary) in a smaller crate with no problems.
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Thanks to everyone to who has commented and helped my girldfriend and I with our Basenji pup situation. I am gonna start feeding him in his crate and I will try these crate games to see if this helps. Also I bought a kong with some peanut butter flavoured Kong paste, that will be his crate only toy for when I leave for work.
Any pointers on how to begin over again with crate training? Can I put the crate in another room to do this or should i begin with where it is now(which is in my bedroom, beside my bed.).
If anyone has any more suggestions please keep them coming.
Again, everyone has been a big help and thank you all very much!!
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What type and size of crate are you using? Some dogs like a wire crate so they can see out while others like a travel crate which makes it darker.
Jennifer
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Well when I started with the kong, his crate was moved to another room, but it was really just because it was in the way where it was before; I'm really not sure if that had anything to do with the improvement however. It may or may not have. Many people say to leave the crate where you and your family will be for the most part of the day so that he may go in and out of it to get treats/toys as he pleases, but I didn't do that. I put his crate into a room that we never go into unless it's to crate him and it wasn't a problem at all. My reason for doing that is because sometimes I crate him while guests are over or because I need to do something in the living room and I can't let him around and if his crate were where he could see me he would not want to stay in it and would cry, but in the other room he didn't even know I was home so it was ok with him. I think that with all the other steps you are taking/plan to take, you can probably leave the crate wherever you choose. Good luck, I'll be hoping for you!
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im using a wire crate for medium size dogs. 2ft x 3ft x 21/2ft. The kong and kong paste failed. He had no interest in it whatsoever. Frozen oatmeal in the kong also didnt work at all. I moved his crate into the living room and he seems to kinda like hanging out in there. My issue with this is that we cant put him in there while we are at home to shower or anything because if he can hear us he's screeching. The crate retraining isnt going so well. He likes his crate but will only like it on his own terms. High value treats dont seem to interest him when its having to do with going in the crate. He can hold his bladder throughout the night however he gets quite restless in the morning hours but still doesnt get up or whine just moving around to get comfortable, which i understand is not a problem just annoying.
Since i have gotten buddy my stomach has been in knots to the point where i cant eat, i feel sick to my stomach all day and have trouble sleeping. I realize this is not a B problem but was wondering if anyone can relate to my situation. Im not sure if this has anything to do with buddy specifically but im having trouble getting back to my usual self. This issue has only came to light since getting my buddy. Anyone understand or relate to this….
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My personal thoughts are 1) DON'T TAKE THIS PERSONALLY!! You are stressing too much over the crate issue which is why your stomach is in knots. Have your tried an x-pen? Sometimes it also makes a difference, as Jennifer stated, between a wire crate and a plastic crate. You will need to crate train him for the car, or if you go away, however, so I would keep trying with the crate.
Back to square one. Feed him in the crate. Start with the door open and then slowly adjust it so the door is closed, then locked. Then, after eating, or while he is in the middle of eating, take him outside for a potty break and put him back in for a couple of minutes. I have one girl who will scream, throw herself, do a Linda Blair exorcist routine, poop, throw it, etc while crated in my house. However, in the car, or in a hotel room, she is not bad. In the hotel room, when I leave she settles down and is quiet. Most dogs, in my experience, will settle down after 10-15 min of you being gone and are quiet, then, when they hear you, they start back up again. So you may think they are screaming the whole time, when they are actually not.
Sometimes toys, foods work, sometimes they don't. I had to ride it out with my youngest boy. He's a year now and he's just settling into a crate routine. If I say crate, he will go in and be quiet, but it took about a year.
There are no magic bullets. Some people are also great at crate training, some people are not so good. I'm not the greatest, but persistence is my key. Also, take him for rides in the car, in the crate. IMO this helps also.
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I didn't go back and read all, but have you talked to Buddy's breeder? What was the situation he was in before you got him?
And another consideration, considering your level of stress over this situation is that maybe it would be best to return the pup to the breeder. Perhaps this is not the best breed of dog for you. Remember, animals pick up on their human's emotions…. and if you are that stressed out, believe me, they know it.
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If you can give this basenji a LOT of exercise, he will be too tired to cause much trouble in the house/crate.
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The fact that he gets "restless" in the morning after making him hold it all night isn't surprising, he is still really young to be holding it for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised if he has an accident eventually if he has to hold it all night. Maybe with time he will eventually learn if you are persistent and keep offering treats and toys in his crate, or maybe it would just be better for you to do the ex pen/baby gate him into a certain area?
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Arlene and Sharron have some really great advice… would you consider a second dog? I know that sounds like adding fuel to the fire, but since basenjis are very social, sometimes they just need another b....
Keep the faith! Things will work out~ you are a new owner, he's a new pup. As long as you don't give up on him, you'll become family!
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I agree this breed you can not leave in the crate at all times. They will make things harded on you they are very stubborn and do not forget! I am also new ti basenji breed i have had mine for a year she is great but we did a lot of head butting in t beginning. She now understands that I AM the leader. She is crated only when we are not home and I reward her with a long walk when she does get out. I do only crate her for a 4 to 5 hours a day but she can do up to 12 if needed in an emergency. You need to make sure that she respects you and not treats you as her toy. Also do you socialize your pup? Most Pet supply store or training centers offer a doggie social either free or for a fee of 10 dollars if you are crating your dog for 8-10 hours maybe you should consider doggie day care its about 40 bucks a week ( that is in CT
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Quick update for everyone following Buddy's situation…..Im taking him on alot of long walks and lots of play time and he has gotten better.
He's pretty good at holding his potty over night which is impressive because of his age and the odd night he does need to get out he lets us know and im up and out the door.
I am having trouble with his crating situation. Against my wishes but for my sanity he is sleeping with us. I was leaving him in the bedroom during the day but he seems to be getting in more trouble by the day. I tried the crate games but it's not working no matter how high my level of patience. I feed him in the crate now too but it doesnt stop him from peeing in it. The only time he does his buisness in the house is in his crate when we are gone. Does this mean the crate is too big??? Is putting him in his crate and leaving a bad idea?? I ask because he knows we are leaving and puts up a fight to either get out of the crate or the bedroom?? will he grow to accept the crate? is this a puppy phase?? I would give him the run of the whole house if he wasnt like this. Please tell me he grows out of this.Also he's having difficulties with us not being in his sight. I've tried the sneaking out of the room and then letting him know im still here but he cant wait for long periods. Is this a puppy thing aswell, that maybe he will grow out of or something he needs to be taught some other way??
I would like to again thank everybody for their input!! Some ideas have really worked out well, others not so much but maybe i need a different approach because all dogs are different.
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So, why at night is he not with you? Why are you having to sneak out of a room? If you are home, he should be with the family….
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nono he IS with us at night…..the second I get home he's either hanging out with me or hanging out with my Girlfriend or getting walked and playing. I was reading this basenji website and found this Peek-a-boo game for separation anxiety. Not working. http://basenjicompanions.org/tips/fear/peekaboo.html
I just find it hard to do anything around the house because he's always with me but sometimes he's just in my way(if that makes any sense). and if im in another room and he cant see me he starts his whinning routine which is equally annoying than being in my way. Just wondering if B's get a lil more independent and if there's anything I can do to help him with his indepedence?
Another question, does anyone use electric dog fences with their B's? Good or Bad idea?? If Good, then at what age do you start??
