Thanks everyone for your help!
Questions before I get my Basenji pup!
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lakers13, i see you're going ahead with this puppy. Please get him tested for Fanconi Syndrome as soon as possible - it's not really expensive and you will then be prepared if the result is bad. However I pray that it's good. There is plenty of information on this forum and of course nobody would refuse you advice.
That a dog is not to be bred from to me is irrelevant. It's the same dog and is to receive the same love and care.
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Welcome, lakers13. Sorry you had to be confronted by bad news almost immediately upon joining the forum, but you are still welcome even if you are unable to walk away from this breeder after it all. Puppies do something both magical and irrational to the best of us… for better or for worse. While I would also urge you to reconsider purchasing from this breeder, I would, frankly, prefer a forum member to be one of her new puppy owners, because at least I know that forum member will have some good support. I agree though that you should get your pup DNA Fanconi tested with OFA (http://www.offa.org) ASAP. It's $65 and it'll help prepare you for your puppy's future, which will hopefully be a long and happy one, regardless of his origins.
All that said, I've also been there/done that with a puppy from an irreputable source. Fanconi is probably the "worst case" scenario related to this breed, but even if the pup tests clear, it's not like everyone's warnings disappear. As an anecdotal example, my adult Shiba was stricken with unrelenting adult-onset allergies, diagnosed with hypothyroidism when he was 6 (which Basenjis are also susceptible to), and has had a pretty difficult, sharp temperament all his life, all of which might have been less of an issue if we had gotten him from a better source. But when he was a puppy, we thought ourselves lucky because he didn't have any "real" health problems. Of course we love him despite his faults. And we were so in love with him after such a short while, there was no way we could have returned him if that was even an option. I think your breeder is counting on that bond to cover her butt if/when something happens to your pup's health further down the road… you sound like you're going through with this because you're ready to take on the responsibility for another living creature, and in that respect, you're already more committed than this breeder sounds like she'll ever be.
So I'm just saying... I'm in no place to judge how "responsible" or "irresponsible" YOU are as a puppy buyer, but puppies bought under less than ideal conditions are going to test you even moreso than the average, already impish little puppy.
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I truly do not understand the "I only want a pet" excuse I hear all too often. Why do people sell themselves short when they are looking for a companion animal?
I added my first basenji 13 years ago. All I wanted was a pet but I also had never owned a purebred dog before so I thought maybe a dog I could try things like agility, coursing, or obedience would be fun but really I just wanted a good pet. When I contacted the breeder, even though I had been following the litter on an email list for several weeks, I still asked her all the questions that I had researched. Were the parents health tested? How old were the parents? grandparents? greatgrandparents? If deceased, how old? what cause? I asked if the breeder was a member of a breed club. I asked what activities she participated in. I told her what I wanted. She turned around and asked me a ton of questions. We both needed to be comfortable with each other because we knew we would be stuck with each other for a long time. Health, Temperament, Conformation, and Longevity are all things she breeds for. I am glad I went to a responsible breeder. I got the dog that was right for me, he has introduced me to many things and many people. 13 years later, I still talk with his breeder on a regular basis. I know how long his sire and dam lived and what they died of. I know how his siblings are doing. All the research paid off in spades.
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Hi lakers13, goodluck with your new puppy.
i found that my first car drive home (only a 40min car drive at 9wks old) my girl cried the whole way home in her crate. - boy did i get some crazy stares from people at the traffic lights.
Keep us posted with how you go bringing your new boy home, what will his name be? and look forward to photos.
Hope you get the fanconi test done for peace of mind too
cheers,
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Taylor..I just want to say this…my intentions were never to make you not feel welcome on here....not at all..everybody is welcome regrdless of where you got you little guy or gal...
Just was hoping to maybe open some eyes to what might happen..I do wish you the best and I so do hope we get to see you around here for many more years...Yes she said I will receive a care package that includes his AKC registration papers, sample of his food, his toy, training pads, shot records, and his eating schedule.
…these puppies might be AKC registerable..I know some of her dogs are not and others are...
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Taylor, let me say, I have had a loved and lost a fanconi b.
You will NOT want to give this dog back…at least, I have found few folks who could.
We all fall in love with them...not like a sweater you get at Sears...
That being said, when you love something you want it to be with you for many years.
Losing a b at the age of say 6 or 8 when you could have one who lived until 17 is a tradeoff you willing to make.
I would hope you would reconsider.
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I think part of the problem is that often we as future basenji owners tend to fall in love with our potential puppy before we even get them. The most recent addition to my basenjis was Zest. I would have been heartbroken if something had happened to her before I picked her up. I'd never even seen her before I picked her up (well, i saw a pic). But I was over the moon with excitement about getting a new puppy. However, having said all that, it is even more heartbreaking to loose a young dog. We lost our first malinois at 5 years old. I can only imagine how much worse all those feelings of unfairness and anger would have been if it was due to something preventable. (She literally just fell over dead. Probably heart or brain aneurysm.) And, while I've never had the misfortune of sharing my life with a Fanconi basenji, reading about the affected dogs is heartbreaking. It is a wasting type disease and many of these people see their beloved companion become mere shadows of what they once were.
Perhaps, Taylor, you could ask this breeder to test the puppies or even the sire and dam before you pick him up? I know that would be waiting a little longer before you pick up your new friend, but it may save you years of heartbreak.
And of course if you decide to do something else, i think we all can understand. It's hard to give up a puppy you've fallen in love with even if you haven't seen him yet.
You also may want to look into puppy lemon laws. I doubt Texas has anything, but I know a few states do.
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Texas currently does not have a puppy lemon law. If a suit were to be filed you'd probably have to do it under Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act.
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Lakers13 - how is your decision making going?
Please remember that regardless of your situation, we are here for you.
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Kipawa I have decided to go ahead and get this puppy. I'm on my way to Houston now. If he does ever get ill then I believe I can give him better care than anyone, so I'm up for it! However I will pray he lives long and stays healthy.
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Kipawa I have decided to go ahead and get this puppy. I'm on my way to Houston now. If he does ever get ill then I believe I can give him better care than anyone, so I'm up for it! However I will pray he lives long and stays healthy.
Please consider doing the DNA test, it is well worth the peace of mind, regardless of the results. Takes only a minute, since it is a cheek swab that you do yourself.
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You should definitnely test him. I tested both of my boys, as Trog was born before the test was created. Both of his parents tested as Carriers, but thank goodness he tested as a carrier too and not an affected. I will be testing my new pup as soon as I get her. Her mother is a clear and sire a carrier, so the worst she would be is a carrier, but I want to know her status. I have a friend whose dog tested as a carrier and has now developed fanconi, so even the blood test was not exact.
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You should definitnely test him. I tested both of my boys, as Trog was born before the test was created. Both of his parents tested as Carriers, but thank goodness he tested as a carrier too and not an affected. I will be testing my new pup as soon as I get her. Her mother is a clear and sire a carrier, so the worst she would be is a carrier, but I want to know her status. I have a friend whose dog tested as a carrier and has now developed fanconi, so even the blood test was not exact.
I am guessing that fact was reported? Any chance that the sire/dam was not the sire/dam of that dog? I know that is the first thing they check… and then they will usually rerun the test to see if they get the same results... along with that if the sire and dam are still available re-test them.
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She has rePorted it and is waiting for the lab person to return from NY to get more data the blood test was only done on her dog as the dog was from a BYB. We are hearing that there have bee a handful that tested as carrier and did develop falconi.
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She has rePorted it and is waiting for the lab person to return from NY to get more data the blood test was only done on her dog as the dog was from a BYB. We are hearing that there have bee a handful that tested as carrier and did develop falconi.
I think that they ones that I have heard of… came from questionable breedings or breeders...
But since we do not have the direct test yet... the recommendation is that you strip test Carriers monthly till we do....
And yes, as with any test... there are errors
I think that you should (or the owner) should go to Jon directly....
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She is a friend of Jons as we are all in the same basenji club
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Kipawa I have decided to go ahead and get this puppy. I'm on my way to Houston now. If he does ever get ill then I believe I can give him better care than anyone, so I'm up for it! However I will pray he lives long and stays healthy.
Please let us know when you are back and for sure we want to see pictures of your new little man.
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Taylor..I just want to wish you and your new little guy best of luck..and you know we all want to see pictures of him…
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We do wish you best health with your new b..
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I think that they ones that I have heard of… came from questionable breedings or breeders...
But since we do not have the direct test yet... the recommendation is that you strip test Carriers monthly till we do....
And yes, as with any test... there are errors
I think that you should (or the owner) should go to Jon directly....
I hope that isn't saying I am one of those Pat!
The three dogs that tested as CArriers re-tested as Carriers.
It was NOT the test.
It was the fact that the dog's DNA is just basically funky and is showing as a carrier when in fact the dog is affected. I believe all 3 of these dogs were from Carrier x Carrier breedings.Keeping this information in mind, any dog that tests as a Carrier from a Carrier x Carrier or Carrier x Affected breeding should be regularly strip-tested.
Perhaps when the direct test comes out those dogs DNA will not prevent the test from giving the correct results… but that is neither here nor there since we aren't at that point yet.
And for the OP... I'd be happy to share stories that I have written based on my just a pet puppy owner's and their first-hand experiences with their fanconi pet puppy
Whether you show or dog or not have absolutely NO BEARING on whether or not the dog should be healthy.Best of luck to you.. and as many have said... do the test. $65 is a drop in the bucket compared to future vet bills.
