As a breeder myself, I can appreciate the desire for a few folks here to try to educate etzbseder about why its important to buy from a responsible breeder but etzbseder has already purchased a dog that he says he is happy with. I don't think he's going to send his dog back to his breeder and run out and buy a different Basenji because "we" think he should have bought one elsewhere. The same can be said for dogs obtained through rescue also since almost all of them originated from backyard breeders and puppy mills. Its a risk and some people are ok with that. That said, hopefully people will read this thread and learn the importance of responsible breeders and possibly seek one out when they are ready for another Basenji. Kudos to all of our fabulous breeder posters who are so wonderful about helping others out. Let us be there for etzbseder when he needs us. Best wishes to all.
I agree Robyn, and I hope I made it clear that I *am glad we are here to help everyone who has a basenji however they got one. I don't *at *all want etzbseder to return his puppy. I just resist the idea being put out there that responsible breeders are too picky to place dogs in most homes. I think that kind of attitude scares people away from seeking out responsible breeders. I also will argue the proposition that a responsibly bred puppy costs around $1,000…..in most areas of the country IME that is just not the case. And if that *is the case, maybe we , as breeders, need to re-evaluate, because most families simply cannot afford that for a puppy....
I agree Robyn, and I hope I made it clear that I *am glad we are here to help everyone who has a basenji however they got one. I don't *at *all want etzbseder to return his puppy. I just resist the idea being put out there that responsible breeders are too picky to place dogs in most homes. I think that kind of attitude scares people away from seeking out responsible breeders. I also will argue the proposition that a responsibly bred puppy costs around $1,000…..in most areas of the country IME that is just not the case. And if that *is the case, maybe we , as breeders, need to re-evaluate, because most families simply cannot afford that for a puppy....
In California and I believe the PNW, average price is 850 to 950.00 for a pet puppy, many of us do NOT have a difference between pet and show. Yes, it does differ across the US… but I know that I have not had a problem with the quoted prices.... and even at that price, you can't cover the cost of a litter here in California... and if something goes wrong like Rally and her C-section, losing a puppy, only having three..... well, you get the idea...
In California and I believe the PNW, average price is 850 to 950.00 for a pet puppy, many of us do NOT have a difference between pet and show. Yes, it does differ across the US… but I know that I have not had a problem with the quoted prices.... and even at that price, you can't cover the cost of a litter here in California... and if something goes wrong like Rally and her C-section, losing a puppy, only having three..... well, you get the idea...
Wow…well, we probably couldn't have afforded to get a puppy if we had started out in California....but then again, we couldn't afford to live in California 
I think Querk was $400 on a co-ownership, he ended up being the best male in the litter, and a Am/Can Champion...so it wasn't like we were getting the bargain basement price 
Wow…well, we probably couldn't have afforded to get a puppy if we had started out in California....but then again, we couldn't afford to live in California
Of course years ago, my Maggii and OJ were under $500. (almost 16yrs ago) and Maggii and Mickii were (and still are co-owned by M. Leighton for that matter) were on a co-ownership, so a little cheaper price… However as with everything, prices are more then tripled here... hey, we pay the highest in gas, housing, even entries fees are higher in California.. (I know from entering Paris back there and enter dogs out here)... vet bills are higher... well you get the picture... so the prices are not out of line with the area....
You can't walk into most Vet offices out here without paying less that $100... and that would be for just an exam and "maybe" a stool sample... gggg
You'll pay close to $1000.00 at Pet land if not more. My Son worked for one and I was amazed what people are paying for a pup.
Most of our's cost around $500.00 to $750.00.
we paid $450 for our only "bought" basenji. She developed a pancreatic disorder when we got her, and when we called to inform the breeder she offered to exchange her, refund our money, or take her back.
We, of course, wouldn't have any of that. Katy is my sweet-heart.:)
You'll pay close to $1000.00 at Pet land if not more. My Son worked for one and I was amazed what people are paying for a pup.
Most of our's cost around $500.00 to $750.00.
The few pet stores in California that sell puppies (lucky that we don't have a lot of pet stores selling pups) charge 1500.00 to 2000.00 for Basenjis… yikes!!!!!
I think $800 - 900 is about par for Washington state.
Just to start putting the cost of a puppy into perspective I started a new thread and listed some of the expenses.
Most breeders I have talked to, wanted 1,000 for a SHOW puppy. And much less for a pet puppy. $500 is about what I'd charge for a pet.
Most breeders I have talked to, wanted 1,000 for a SHOW puppy. And much less for a pet puppy. $500 is about what I'd charge for a pet.
Well that is fine if you can charge $500 for a puppy.. and still try and cover your costs… like I said, pretty impossible in California and most of the PNW..
Again also, I can only think of one or two breeders on the West Coast that have different prices for show or pet.
For me there are several reasons to charge the same amount for all puppies. First of all each puppy in my house recieves the same care and therefore incurs the same expense. They each benefit from the research and health testing that went into planning the litter. All my dogs are first and foremost companions anything else that they do is bonus so my prices are based on their primary purpose, companions. My price is driven by the cost of living and therefore breeding in my area. I do offer a $50 rebate for the completion of puppy kindergarten.
All of the breeders we spoke to prior to getting Jazzy charged the same for show or pet. There was no difference in price. At that time – 2 yrs ago-- the price was $800.
I charge the same price for pet or show puppies for the same reasons lvoss mentioned. Why would I charge more for a puppy that will be shown? It is advantageous for a breeder to have their dogs out there in the show ring or in other performance avenues so people can see them. This works great for me since I can't do many shows/performance events myself. I also now have a policy where if someone appropriately titles their first Basenji obtained from me, I will give them a second Basenji.
Robyn, you can 'give' me a B any time. I love your B's. If I had known about Pippin and Baron I would have requested one!!! I think they are both fabulous. And the puppies were gorgeous!!
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Wow! That is really cool! Nice policy Robyn :)_
I know a breeder that charges different prices for "Show Quality" and "Pets".
I know another that claims they're all show quality and all can be finished so the price is the same.
I like the buy one, finish it and get one free…......very generous indeed:) .
It doesn't seem quite right, since "show quality" is not a guarantee, is it?
I mean, if you pay more for show quality and your dog bombs out at showing, do you get a refund?
There are pups that show promise, but don't turn out quite as ideally as you may expect and others that don't look quite so hot at 12 weeks but wind up knocking your socks off at 12 mos.
Is it really right to charge more for potential?
It doesn't seem quite right, since "show quality" is not a guarantee, is it?
I mean, if you pay more for show quality and your dog bombs out at showing, do you get a refund?
There are pups that show promise, but don't turn out quite as ideally as you may expect and others that don't look quite so hot at 12 weeks but wind up knocking your socks off at 12 mos.
Is it really right to charge more for potential?
Should be built into the contract that is the pup doesn't "pan" out as a show puppy you do get money back… as least that is what I have seen. Remember also, breeders judge puppies at 8wks which accordingly is supposed to be what they will be as a adult... so that is when 99% of breeders judge their pups for show quality. They can and do go through that grow stage and many get pretty ugly (for lack of a better phrase)... but then come back together... and it might not be till they are 3 or 4... Also many that are sold as show puppies the contract also says if "you" as the owner can't or don't want to finish the pup, you will make said pup available to the breeder for showing...
As breeders in judging potential of pups.. it is not an exact science....
Should be built into the contract that is the pup doesn't "pan" out as a show puppy you do get money back… as least that is what I have seen. . . . Also many that are sold as show puppies the contract also says if "you" as the owner can't or don't want to finish the pup, you will make said pup available to the breeder for showing...
As breeders in judging potential of pups.. it is not an exact science....
Okay, that makes more sense.
Lucky for me, Jumoke charged the same.
With Jazzy, I got a "pet" that turned into a show girl – he showed her, not me.
Keoki, regardless of how truly stunning he really is , is destined for pet-hood per my husband. Which is fine, because all we ever wanted was a dog to snuggle and hike with!:D
