Basenji Wanted in CO

[lvoss]

Here is the reason why breeders do so much screening and have the requirements they do. These are all rescues located in the state of Colorado currently, http://www.coloradobasenjirescue.org/adoptable.shtml

[lvoss]

@etzbseder:

If you guys want the relatives there are a 2 from york 2 from cambria 2 from dettbarn and several others. only one is a puppy of one of his other dogs, and no 2 dogs have 1 same parent

I think you continue to miss everyone's point. The health of your dog's pedigree is not about having no dog repeated in a pedigree or about using or not using your own stud dogs. It is about doing health testing and making carefully planned breeding decisions. None of the prefixes you listed give dogs with health testing except Cambria and since 2 of the 3 dogs in the OFA database were born in the 80's I don't think they are in your boy's pedigree. It costs $2000 per hip joint for hip replacement in severe cases of HD, does your contract cover that? How many dogs in his 5 generation pedigree are over the age of 5 and being strip tested monthly? How about the reimbursement for partial medical expenses if your boy ends up Fanconi affected? What was the goal of the breeding that produced your boy? How well does he meet that goal?

The information you were given in this thread was to help you find a breeder that takes responsibility for producing healthy puppies and will provide support the puppy's lifetime no matter what.

[Quercus]

<< None of the prefixes you listed give dogs with health testing except Cambria and since 2 of the 3 dogs in the OFA database were born in the 80's>>

Lisa, somebody "stole" the Cambria prefix several years back, and almost guaranteed all of the dogs you see currently in BYB or puppymill dogs that have Cambria dogs, are NOT the Cambria dogs we are familiar with. That is the reason that about five years ago (?) the BCOA retired the Cambria prefix.

For everybody else, that is something that irresponsible breeders do…take a kennel name that is widely known for quality dogs, and start using it as their own...nice....

[Quercus]

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Honestly, it has nothing to do with being overly protective....it has to do with preserving a breed. Although I do not agree with excluding puppy buyers because they live in an apartment, or don't have a fence, I know there are lots of breeders out there that don't require that of their puppy buyers.
Part of my issue with you is that you are putting info out there that says 'breeders who really care about the breed, and making a good match will make it too difficult for people to get puppies' ....and that just isn't true. You didn't want to put in the effort to find the kind of breeder we are talking about...fine, your choice....but don't make it sound like that is the fault of responsible breeders by calling them "overprotective". Send me a private email and list the breeders that are members of the BCOA that you contacted, so I can see how many responsible breeders turned you down.

[annandael]

My parent's dog, Simeon was an AKC registered dog with Champions in his pedigree. There was something mentally wrong with him…he was very agressive at random intervals. He died at age 9! Basenjis can live to be 18! Just because the dog is AKC...or even has a CH or two in their pedigree doesn't mean anything.

Potential owners should be just as picky about where their dogs come from, as the breeder is about where their pup/dog is going.

It took me months of screening to find my girl Kiya...and I STILL could have made a better decision! I wouldn't trade her for the world...but the breeder now has nothing to do with dogs and doesn't want to know about her or her wins in the dog shows....it's sad but it happened. She also wouldn't take her back if there was something wrong...(which I would never do...) but it's an example.

I would never sell to someone that wanted a Basenji puppy...NOW

Never. I always tell them the negatives about the breed first, then if they are still interested I start drilling them with questions!

I may be new, but I only care about my babies and the future of their babies.

[nomrbddgs]

The best thing is when a person comes into the breeders home and the breeder 'releases the hounds', just watch the reaction you get. You can tell alot from that too. Of course, this is after you tell them all about the bad things first!

As I said before, the B breeders screen so diligently because we do know the problems that are present and we do have such a small gene pool that we want the best for the B's we have.

[lvoss]

@Quercus:

Lisa, somebody "stole" the Cambria prefix several years back, and almost guaranteed all of the dogs you see currently in BYB or puppymill dogs that have Cambria dogs, are NOT the Cambria dogs we are familiar with. That is the reason that about five years ago (?) the BCOA retired the Cambria prefix.

I am aware of that and 1 of the 3 in the OFA database is from the BYB, the other two are I believe both true Cambria dogs.

[lvoss]

@etzbseder:

this seemed to be the best option for a student in a large apartment to get a very special kind of dog to be a great pet. thanks though for your concerns, they just seem very negative towards a not too overly protective B parent.

I have a real problem with this statement. I got my first basenji as a college student living in an apartment and found responsible breeders were quite willing to talk with me. Some did ask me about my schedule and my plans for the future but none were rude or unwilling to talk to me. There are some breeders that do require a fenced yard but most breeders I talked to were willing to place a dog in an apartment but were very interested in hearing what my plan to provide adequate exercise was. As a breeder, I have placed a puppy with a college student living in an apartment and I did require him to bring a letter from his apartment complex stating that dogs were allowed and he had made arrangements with them to have a dog but I require that of anyone who rents since that is one of the Top 10 reasons dogs are surrendered to shelters. So maybe this was the path of least resistance but I agree with Andrea that it should not be put out there as the "best option".

[YodelDogs]

As a breeder myself, I can appreciate the desire for a few folks here to try to educate etzbseder about why its important to buy from a responsible breeder but etzbseder has already purchased a dog that he says he is happy with. I don't think he's going to send his dog back to his breeder and run out and buy a different Basenji because "we" think he should have bought one elsewhere. The same can be said for dogs obtained through rescue also since almost all of them originated from backyard breeders and puppy mills. Its a risk and some people are ok with that. That said, hopefully people will read this thread and learn the importance of responsible breeders and possibly seek one out when they are ready for another Basenji. Kudos to all of our fabulous breeder posters who are so wonderful about helping others out. Let us be there for etzbseder when he needs us. Best wishes to all.

[Vegas]

His first came from a backyard breeder, my first came from a pet store/puppymill. I can't judge, nor would I want to. I understand exactly where he is coming from.

[etzbseder]

There are soo many posts to respond to but he does strip test his dogs that are over 3 and the cambria that is his parent is 6 years old and probably is the cambria that you're thinking of. I'm not sure exactly who I spoke with but there were 2 from CO and 3 from out-of-state. I had been looking at breeders for about 7 months before getting a puppy and the breeder did tell me all the negatives about the breed, but he also told me many of the positives and I was a member here before getting the dog to do about half of my research about the breed. I'm not sure what he was planning for with the breeding this time, but I know by taking the runt, but most loving and nice one of the bunch, that I may not have gotten the goal of the breeding. He is adjusting very well to my schedule and his having to be crated and alone for about 1-2 hours a day. He is also learning to get along with the mut so he can be with him instead of alone. He is learning very quickly and is putting on a bit of weight because of the change from ol roys to royal canin dog food. I will post pictures as soon as I get my camera working. I do plan on staying part of this forum as it is the best place so far to get advice when needed and look up other peoples problems to try to help/learn from them.

[etzbseder]

Vegas, it's nice to see that I'm not the only one trying to give good homes to some the less wanted puppies out there. This is my first dog but my parents dogs have all come from pounds. That's where we got our mutt and when I tried to take it to school last year, they wouldn't let me because they love him so much. Being a 20 yr old college student, I don't have the money to pay 1k for a top pick puppy, but may end up getting a second B when I'm done from college from one of the other breeders that may even cost near 1k as I won't have to spend as much money on all the toys and crates and leashes and such. I have just about 2 of everything so mine could grow and find the one he enjoys.

[nomrbddgs]

I'm very proud of you to take everything in context. While some differences do occur between us, I am happy you are satisfied with your choice. The change in dog food will make a huuge difference. Please keep him loving by socialising him with other dogs and people as well. We're not bashing you for wanting to give a dog a good home, just concerned with all the BYB. Personally, I hope all the best for you and that you don't have any problems with this dog. Can't wait for the pics, and congrats.

[Basenji_Boy]

@etzbseder:

He is learning very quickly and is putting on a bit of weight because of the change from ol roys to royal canin dog food.

We fed Royal Canin exclusively and changed because of some RC recalls. Make sure what your feeding isn't on the recall list.
http://www.royalcanin.us/recalled.html

[Quercus]

@YodelDogs:

As a breeder myself, I can appreciate the desire for a few folks here to try to educate etzbseder about why its important to buy from a responsible breeder but etzbseder has already purchased a dog that he says he is happy with. I don't think he's going to send his dog back to his breeder and run out and buy a different Basenji because "we" think he should have bought one elsewhere. The same can be said for dogs obtained through rescue also since almost all of them originated from backyard breeders and puppy mills. Its a risk and some people are ok with that. That said, hopefully people will read this thread and learn the importance of responsible breeders and possibly seek one out when they are ready for another Basenji. Kudos to all of our fabulous breeder posters who are so wonderful about helping others out. Let us be there for etzbseder when he needs us. Best wishes to all.

I agree Robyn, and I hope I made it clear that I *am glad we are here to help everyone who has a basenji however they got one. I don't *at *all want etzbseder to return his puppy. I just resist the idea being put out there that responsible breeders are too picky to place dogs in most homes. I think that kind of attitude scares people away from seeking out responsible breeders. I also will argue the proposition that a responsibly bred puppy costs around $1,000…..in most areas of the country IME that is just not the case. And if that *is the case, maybe we , as breeders, need to re-evaluate, because most families simply cannot afford that for a puppy....

[tanza]

@Quercus:

I agree Robyn, and I hope I made it clear that I *am glad we are here to help everyone who has a basenji however they got one. I don't *at *all want etzbseder to return his puppy. I just resist the idea being put out there that responsible breeders are too picky to place dogs in most homes. I think that kind of attitude scares people away from seeking out responsible breeders. I also will argue the proposition that a responsibly bred puppy costs around $1,000…..in most areas of the country IME that is just not the case. And if that *is the case, maybe we , as breeders, need to re-evaluate, because most families simply cannot afford that for a puppy....

In California and I believe the PNW, average price is 850 to 950.00 for a pet puppy, many of us do NOT have a difference between pet and show. Yes, it does differ across the US… but I know that I have not had a problem with the quoted prices.... and even at that price, you can't cover the cost of a litter here in California... and if something goes wrong like Rally and her C-section, losing a puppy, only having three..... well, you get the idea...

[Quercus]

@tanza:

In California and I believe the PNW, average price is 850 to 950.00 for a pet puppy, many of us do NOT have a difference between pet and show. Yes, it does differ across the US… but I know that I have not had a problem with the quoted prices.... and even at that price, you can't cover the cost of a litter here in California... and if something goes wrong like Rally and her C-section, losing a puppy, only having three..... well, you get the idea...

Wow…well, we probably couldn't have afforded to get a puppy if we had started out in California....but then again, we couldn't afford to live in California I think Querk was $400 on a co-ownership, he ended up being the best male in the litter, and a Am/Can Champion...so it wasn't like we were getting the bargain basement price

[tanza]

@Quercus:

Wow…well, we probably couldn't have afforded to get a puppy if we had started out in California....but then again, we couldn't afford to live in California I think Querk was $400 on a co-ownership, he ended up being the best male in the litter, and a Am/Can Champion...so it wasn't like we were getting the bargain basement price

Of course years ago, my Maggii and OJ were under $500. (almost 16yrs ago) and Maggii and Mickii were (and still are co-owned by M. Leighton for that matter) were on a co-ownership, so a little cheaper price… However as with everything, prices are more then tripled here... hey, we pay the highest in gas, housing, even entries fees are higher in California.. (I know from entering Paris back there and enter dogs out here)... vet bills are higher... well you get the picture... so the prices are not out of line with the area....

You can't walk into most Vet offices out here without paying less that $100... and that would be for just an exam and "maybe" a stool sample... gggg

[Basenji_Boy]

You'll pay close to $1000.00 at Pet land if not more. My Son worked for one and I was amazed what people are paying for a pup.

Most of our's cost around $500.00 to $750.00.

[Vegas]

we paid $450 for our only "bought" basenji. She developed a pancreatic disorder when we got her, and when we called to inform the breeder she offered to exchange her, refund our money, or take her back.

We, of course, wouldn't have any of that. Katy is my sweet-heart.:)