@DebraDownSouth Well, I'm sure your dogs love it!
Brat Rescue and Transport; How they really treat rescues
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I wish you could hear yourself... you are attacking me because (why?)... because I reminded you that you do not own this dog? Do you honestly think that it doesn't matter? How can you expect anyone to pay for your dog's healthcare, meds, food, etc? And you do think Declan is your dog. You've only said it 100 times! But, he's not your dog. Remember? Declan is a foster dog. That's why he was put in your care. Declan was never meant to stay in your home for this long.
You have listed 3 different health problems for Declan, weight fluctuations (ranging from Anorexic to 20+ pounds overweight) over the past four years, and at least one (emotional) problem of your own. Then you write:
@westcoastflea1 said in Brat Rescue and Transport; How they really treat rescues:
Declan is anxious and insecure,
Do you think that's healthy for him? Dogs that are in a healthy environment are not anxious and insecure. They are confident, relaxed, and generally happy. How can I not be concerned when you say things like this?
You have no proof that Declan is going to be put down if he leaves your care. It shouldn't cost $150/month to feed Declan. And you won't need 30#s of Chicken Breast every month. All of these exagerations and imagined outcomes are unrealistic.
BRAT asked you to make a decision on how you want to move forward. Do you want to keep Declan? Then sign the release and keep him. Stop whining about not having enough money to pay for him. If you want to keep him that bad, figure out how to get the money to pay for what he needs.
Otherwise you should return Declan to BRAT's care. Let them put him in another foster home for observation and assessment. When you are ready for a dog, financially and emotionally, I'm sure one will come your way.
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@debradownsouth said in Brat Rescue and Transport; How they really treat rescues: That should have been the only focus from the start... how to help the dog.
None of the back and forth accusatory comments have been helpful for the dog. Trying to apportion blame while the house is burning down isn't the smartest course of action. I again suggest it isn't useful to keep taking shots at one another. Why post if you don't have a positive solution to offer? And since none of us have walked in this poster's shoes, it seems pretty harsh to judge her. A bit of empathy might be nice for a change.
I can only imagine the agony I would be in if I didn't have the means to help my dog and the only alternative was to give him up to an uncertain future.
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“You may want to take your lack of serious rescue workings and get more info before you attack someone so stupidly.Yet, I am the one attacking? I don’t know what your problem with BRAT is but evidently you have one.
“YES, rescues find homes for dogs they cannot adopt, agree to pay for care/food indefinitely. Without you having some telepathic knowledge, a copy of their contract and conversations, you are in no position to attack another member as you have.”
Correct. So perhaps you should check with me first before attacking me about things you do not know.
“You went far from acceptable forum discussion of the issues into vile abuse of the poster. With no proof, just your rancid views.”
Frankly, I could argue this is exactly what you are doing, as others have noted many times. I usually figure you are entitled to your opinion. Rather than attacking you for it.
“The OP is concerned that the things BRAT is demanding is potentially deadly and certainly far from simple NORMAL treatment. From 3 months to no repeating is fairly extreme and certainly worthy of her concern.”
The test she is repeating is the wrong test, read above if she hasn’t deleted it. She has twice exceeded the max dosage of two different drugs, by her own admission she knows better than the vet. Yet you don’t see a problem.
“Her move into an emotional tirade at least is in defence of the dog's health. What, other than getting off on berating a member in pain, are your excuses? Elbrant managed to address issues, albeit harshly at times, without calling the op disgusting, immoral, unethical, etc.”
I don’t need to make excuses to you or anyone else thank you. I am concerned for the poor dog that should have been fostered as per her responsibility. So that he could find a good forever home. Instead of being over fed and overdosed.
“Btw, your laughable continued braying about sawdust... they'd have to sue about 20 companies and sites that point out the same thing... cellulose in dog food is often sawdust.”
I don’t know what is so difficult to understand. She stated “RC satiety is sawdust” the statement is a lie and as such defamation.
“Do I think, if facts are presented accurately, that BRAT has acted in the best interest of the dog? No. But I also know few rescues who would fund a dog that long term. Many would choose to euthanize and use the money on other dogs. Just hard cold logic.”
Perhaps you should have done more research, you would know what the facts are. Especially before attacking me for not knowing them.
“I am not surprised they've washed their hands. I won't be surprised if they euthanize the dog promptly if they don't find a home able to pay his bills to treat him right or willing to go with minimal care. Did her bringing the issue to the forum instead of privately help push them to a final decision? I don't know.”
BRAT were aware there was a problem before the OP brought this to the forum. Contrary to the OP’s original statement, the objective was clearly to defame BRAT.
“But I do know waging personal attacks on someone who is seriously in pain and panic helped no one except maybe your ego.”
Perhaps then your ego feels better now? Freudian slip?
“Now we have a dog who may end up euthanized or undertreated. That should have been the only focus from the start... how to help the dog”
I agree, the focus should be the dog! We have a dog that has been over fed, given several overdoses, given the wrong testing and is anxious / nervous. Before you decide to attack me again, contact BRAT and talk to them, contact other people involved in this case. Do some research and find out more about the OP, find out why the OP no longer has a vet for instance.
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“That should have been the only focus from the start... how to help the dog.
None of the back and forth accusatory comments have been helpful for the dog. Trying to apportion blame while the house is burning down isn't the smartest course of action. I again suggest it isn't useful to keep taking shots at one another. Why post if you don't have a positive solution to offer? And since none of us have walked in this poster's shoes, it seems pretty harsh to judge her. A bit of empathy might be nice for a change.
I can only imagine the agony I would be in if I didn't have the means to help my dog and the only alternative was to give him up to an uncertain future.”
I completely agree. The problem is that people are reading only one side of the story, then making emotional statements based on that. As you say, if the situation was as given (by the one sided statements given), it would be hard to give up a dog purely because of financial reasons. However, there is much more to the story.
I remember a breeder purchase agreement that had the question “if you were unable to care for the dog due to illness, divorce etc, what would you do with the dog”. I answered unequivocally that I would do what is best for the dog, returning the dog if necessary to the breeder. Feelings should be secondary to the dogs safety and well-being, sorry if that is harsh.
I believe that nothing said here is going to help, so discussion is pointless as far as helping the dog.
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Yet, I am the one attacking? I don’t know what your problem with BRAT is but evidently you have one.<<
Yet, I am the one attacking? I don’t know what your problem with BRAT is but evidently you have one.Your responses were unhinged, unrelated to what was being addressed an truly unworthy of more of a comment than this.
I was addressing your attack of a member. Period. Whatever her mistakes, you turned it into abusive personal name calling.
Yes, I have documented issues with Brat. None of which need airing here. None of which have anything to do with this thread other than acknowledging others also have issues, but it doesn't help the dog to address those thing when the dog is and should be the only issue. Your pretense of knowing everything on both sides neither helps nor impresses... nor excuses your personal abuse.
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Unless you can prove she lied or defamed BRAT, you are doing the same to her.
And yes, a moderator to remove your repeated personal attacks that are against forum rules.
