Hi Therese -
Linda, that is a bit patronizing of you. I have had three vets since having basenjis and two have admitted the very same thing to me personally and my current vet when asked why he still sends out annual vaccine reminders says he uses what his office has in place for vaccines to encourage people to come in for annual check ups.
You seem to have misread/misunderstood or are reading more into what I wrote.
I am writing from my point of view and as a person who works with vets - behind the scenes if you will - I can tell you in my umpteen years in the field - when working with the same kind of vets you and Jo are describing - I have NEVER heard one of them admit to a client (or at least not to a client they planned to have as a client for very much longer) they are willing to risk harming their dog with over vaccinating just to get you to come back each and every year. Talk about a lawsuit waiting to happen if you tell that to the wrong person!
I did not say it does not happen, only I have not experienced it (which is all I can share right? My experiences?) and I think if anyone can get their vet to admit it - my hats are off to them. Of course I would then quickly find another vet.
Linda, I as always am amazed that the assumption is because you are a CVT the rest of the dog community must be making uneducated often unsupported jumps to diagnosis.
How does sharing my experience (same as you shared your experience with Ali) become a statement that I assume the dog community must be uneducated or are making unsupported jumps to diagnoses? How is my sharing my experience, which is different than what you experienced (ie another side of the coin) not also helping to educate folks? Why does your personal experience carry more weight or validity than mine? My heart dog died, not yet 7 years of age; I take the subject just as seriously as do.
I would certainly presume and hope you (or anyone else) are working with people who are highly educated and in the know. I never said or implied there is no such thing as vaccine induced disease. If I did - please let me know where I said this.
If you care to learn more about vaccine links to auto immune issues that are not leaps of faith I suggest you consider studies in human conditions.
I find it ironic you can, in the same breath, call me out on presumed assumptions and yet you assume I have not educated myself on the subject you are so passionate about. Just because my thoughts and opines on this subject differ somewhat from yours does not mean I am lacking in education or interest.
Linda, Wow haven't you just jumped to a conclusion yourself. I see you assuming these are blanket statements, isn't that a blanket statement you just made about vets not sharing that they send out annual vaccine reminders to get patients in, pot kettle black Linda.
Sorry Therese - I do not feel I have jumped to any conclusions or assumptions. My door is open to the possibility that vaccines can play a role in disease. My door is also open to the fact that vaccines may not play as much as a role as some would have us believe. As I stated - while I am not a fan of over vaccinating, neither am I a fan of blanket mind sets when we just don't know all there is to know.
And Therese - please re-read what I wrote about vets not sharing - here it is again "While I have no doubts that there are vets who do this, I have yet to meet one brave enough to tell their clients this face to face." There was no blanket statement from me saying vets don't share this kind of info; I said I have no doubts there are some who do, I just have not been lucky? enough to meet one (or work for one).
I was speaking of the BCOA not being proactive about the vaccine related recommendations over a long period of time…... Honestly Linda, I'm personally tired of you speaking to me and others as if we are 6yrs old and not allowed to speak any opinion without benig accused of being unfair.
This is all good to know Therese but in truth I was not replying to you. I was replying to Jo's dismay at the BCOA's lack of action - I had not even read your post when I replied and had no comments to what you did write once I read it. But do feel free to continue to beat me with a virtual stick as though I was replying to you and/or for sharing my point of view and my experience.
Interesting that you recently wrote an article in the Bulletiin about not being appreciated and being told how you aren't doing your job or handling your responsibilities correctly, is that not what you are accusing Jo of here? Really, here we go again…pot kettle black.
Jo posted her dismay about the BCOA not being proactive enough for her re: this issue to this forum. I do not think it is wrong for anyone to ask her something to the effect of "Hey Jo, as a BCOA HRC member what are doing to get the ball rolling to get the BCOA more proactive on this subject." It is no more than I would ask myself (or would have others ask of me) if I, as a BCOA Board member, posted my discontent of some BCOA Board matter to a public forum. I would be mentally all over myself saying "So Linda, what part of the solution (or the problem) are you? What active role have you taken to help or hinder?" Sorry if you do not agree and/or that I did not ask in a manner you approved of.
Linda, I don't speak for Jo but I would personally love the opprotunity to use a page and a half to write my views on this topic in the Bulletin at no cost to myself.
I think this is a GREAT idea. The Bulletin is ALWAYS looking for new and original material. We are constantly pimping people to send something in. I say go for it - July 25th is the deadline. Just be prepared that not everyone is as passionate or as convinced as you are that the troubles that plague the world are all vaccine related. And these folks have as much right to voice their opine as you do.
Maybe you would want to concentrate your efforts in encouraging people to use all available avenues to educate themselves about the health and well being of their dogs and stop telling other members how they should approach a topic and to whom they should discuss it with.
Ummm. Could you please cite where I said this or implied this in my post today? I am at a total loss where this is coming from and I am starting to think you might have a personal gripe with me, not at all based on my post to this thread.
I certainly hope people on this forum and any other list or group will continue to discuss this topic and push for change where change is needed. I applaud those who shared this info on this forum and appreciate having these links available to myself and owners of my dogs.
Change that we ideally want to come from the BCOA, yes? Isn't that what I was advocating?? If we want the BCOA HRC to be more proactive, we need HRC members to "get to work" if you will vs spending their time and energy posting to a forum.
And Therese - I do want those video links available to the whole fancy, not just to me or my dogs or my puppy people. I even said as much but perhaps you missed it in your desire to reply.
I wrote: "I hope those on the HRC committee - who are also on this forum - will make sure these links are given to the committee for inclusion."
), 9 is indeed senior for them. Chows by 10 or 11. If out, I do use kennel cough nasal... or when fostering dogs. Arwen is almost 9, she just had her last 3 yr shot. I cannot imagine doing more than rabies for her when she is 12. Human vaccines predominately last a life time. I frankly feel every 3 yrs is over kill.
