Thank you everyone for your posts.
Ironic (or funny) as it may sound, as I made my way to finding this blog and subscribe in order to seek advice on Basenjis, Mara was giving birth to her pups, with Fezzan around her and no one to supervise (so much for my calculations).
The good news is that everything went perfectly well. I went home after work and found Mara and Fezzan waiting for me at the backyard?s door. I noticed Mara's huge belly was gone so I ran to her crate and there they were, 5 perfectly healthy puppies (2 males and 3 females). All cleaned-up and sleeping. Just perfect.
It seems that Fezzan's presence during her giving birth did not affect Mara or the puppies. Fezzan seemed agitated, but in a positive way.
I did notice that every time Fezzan tried to get near the puppies Mara would growl so, as I should have known, nature takes care of situations like this.
I took Mara and the pups inside the house and stayed until 2 am around them, making sure all of them were fed.
There's a lot of work for me during the next weeks.
Thanks again.
Rodrigo
Good luck Rodrigo! I'm sure you'll enjoy them.
I disagree with both Pat and Lisa on this one.
I can guraantee that neither of you could pick out which of my dogs was NOT raised inside the house.
Mexico is warm and the setting is completely different from where you and I live.
Please feel free to email me at bennyburnerbono at aol dot com and I can give you lots of info that would be suited to your situation.
I didn't see any other posts… what is the pedigree on your Bs?
The reason for being indoors is not because they need to be indoors it is because they need socialization, they need to be around human beings and the normal activity of a household. Puppies who are not raised around the normal noises and activities that they are likely to encounter in a household have been shown time and again to adjust less well and sometimes not at all to living in a household.
This opinion is based on research done by animal behavior specialists.
Hi Kathy,
Thank you for your post.
The female has the international pedigree certificate (blue), and it has the seal of the FCI (Federation Cynologique Internationale). It's issued by the Federacion Canofila Mexicana.
The male has a national certificate that certifies it's a purebred.
I am not quite sure how pedigrees work, as you can tell.
Best,
Rodrigo
What are the registered names of you dogs? Are they in Sally's pedigree database, http://pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com?
Did you get fanconi testing done on the parents before the breeding?
Congratulations Rodrigo..what a surprise to come home to. Glad it all worked out. WIll you keep any of them? Do you have potential buyers for the puppies?
Been long time but Ivoss I do so go with you. Puppies need to hear indoor sounds and be held and loved. Nothing wrong when they are older going out for a while to learn outdoor sounds. However I am willing to bet at least one if not more go were it is cold and they cannot stay outdoors. That means they need indoor life from a baby so they do not end up in a dump or kill shelter beause the new owner could not handle the puppy because it did not like house sounds. I wish you the best good luck but for the puppies please keep them in the house.
Rita Jean
I had no idea there was as database with pedigree information on Basenjis. This is great to know.
Fezzan's pedigree does appear there. It says: "Pedigree of Fezzan Vorobieva, Brindle & White, Male, Mexico, 23 Dec 2007."
Mara's pedigree is not listed. Looking at her international pedigree certificate, she is registered as "Iman (Sanchez) Mex. FCI., Mexico, 28 Dec 2008." Any idea as to why her pedigree would not be listed in this website?
I did not get fanconi testing on the parents; I did not even know such test existed.
I do not plan on keeping them. I will need to start looking for potential buyers, but I think it's going to be tough finding them a good home. Basenjis are not well known in Mexico.
Her pedigree would not be there if no one submitted her litter information to the site owner.
If you provide the sire's name and dam's name, I can submit her information to Sally to be included in the next upload.
Thank you Ivoss. I appreciate it.
Sire: Siscos Durham in My Past (Brindle & White)
Dam: Kenya (Sanchez) MEX.FCI. (Red & White)
I also have information on two more generations (backwards), in case it's useful.
Mara's color is red & white, and her registered name is Iman (Sanchez) Mex.FCI. She was born in Mexico, the 28th of December, 2008.
Please read up on responsible breeding, place those puppies on spay/neuter contracts, and spay and neuter your pets. If you aren't knowledgeable enough to know about pedigrees, health testing and genetics, please don't breed. You seem like you love the dogs, so do the right thing for the breed.
…and get them tested, read up on Fanconi and if you have questions don't be afraid to ask them... people may not be happy that you haven't fanconi tested the parents because the puppies could become affected as well; it is a horrible thing but we would rather you ask the questions now than not at all. And by "all"- I mean both your two dogs and ALL the puppies need to be tested..please..please and please again
Sire: Siscos Durham in My Past (Brindle & White)
Dam: Kenya (Sanchez) MEX.FCI. (Red & White)
Could you please send me the parents of both of these dogs. They are not in the database so I need their info so I can get them added.
Thank you.
Thank you for your suggestions. I will have them all, parents and puppies, tested for fanconi. I am to speak with my Vet on Monday.
If any of the puppies has the syndrome, I will spay it immediately. If any of the parents has the syndrome, it will get spayed too, as it makes sense to stop breeding a dog that will carry on a genetic problem to its offspring and thus affecting the Basenji breed generally. If both parents are healthy, I won't spay them.
Regards.
Sure Ivoss,
As for Siscos Durham in My Past, its Sire's name is "Eldorado's Oliver" (color brindle & white), and its Dam's name is "Visit-to-Sisco of Africa" (color red & white).
As for Kenya (Sanchez) Mex.FCI., its Sire's name is "Rabat (Sanchez) Mex.FCI." (color red & white) and its Dam's name is "Turquish (Sanchez) Mex.FCI." (color red & white).
As for Eldorado's Oliver, its Sire's name is "Eldorado's Adonis" (color brindle & white), and its Dam's name is "Eldorado's Hocus Pocus" (color brindle & white).
As for Visit-to-Sisco of Africa, its Sire's name is "Luther King Out of Africa" (no info on color), and its Dam's name is "Ofna Out of Africa" (no info on color).
As for Rabat (Sanchez) Mex.FCI., its Sire's name is "Andy (Gil) Mex.FCI." (tricolor), and its Dam's name is "Shenna (Recio) Mex." (color red & white).
As for Turquish (Sanchez) Mex.FCI., its Sire's name is "Batato Pan Mofisan (Arce) Mex.FCI." (color red & white), and its Dam's name is "Gambia (Sanchez) Mex.FCI., (tricolor).
Thank you again for all your help.
Rodrigo
Thank you for your suggestions. I will have them all, parents and puppies, tested for fanconi. I am to speak with my Vet on Monday.
If any of the puppies has the syndrome, I will spay it immediately. If any of the parents has the syndrome, it will get spayed too, as it makes sense to stop breeding a dog that will carry on a genetic problem to its offspring and thus affecting the Basenji breed generally. If both parents are healthy, I won't spay them.
Regards.
You vet probably won't have the information. You need to go to the OFA website and order the test.
We will just agree to disagree.
As I previously mentioned… I know that it would be next to impossible for anyone to come to my home and decipher which dogs were whelped/raised for part of their lives OUTSIDE in lovely warm weather.
All are incredibly socialized and have impeccable temperaments.
Sorry you have to be ripped apart like a common backyard breeder.
You have dogs with good breeding behind them... you can email me at any time for any information.
I have also placed Basenjis in Mexico and they have had fabulous lives with their lovely gardens!
Rodrigo, a belated welcome to the forum.
Just wanted to say kudos to you for taking this "grilling" about your breeding in stride.
What's done is done, and while a lot of us here are very critical about irresponsible and casual breeding, please understand that we are all, I think, driven by a love for the breed and for dogs in general.
You seem quite willing to do right by these dogs and the futures of these puppies, and I encourage you to stay connected with this forum as there is a lot of good information and a solid network here. I'm honestly not sure what or who is available to you in Mexico, but it's certainly not too far away or isolated with the help of the internet!
Sorry you have to be ripped apart like a common backyard breeder.
I re-read this thread and I did not see a single post "ripping apart" the breeder. I saw advice being given and that's what this forum is for.
You have dogs with good breeding behind them…
Having dogs with good breeding behind them doesn't change the fact that the parents were bred together with zero health testing. The breeder had never even heard of Fanconi syndrome until they posted here. In America, we call that a "backyard breeder". In any country, it is irresponsible breeding.
The majority of backyard breeders, or BYBs as they are sometimes called, are not bad people. They are people whose knowledge about breeding doesn't go past their own backyard. With gentle guidance, most people who want to continue breeding dogs are willing to learn how to breed responsibly. I think it is obvious that the OP (original poster) wants to do the right thing and staying on this forum is a great way for them to learn.
